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Posted by DrollTroll on October 15, 2008, 4:31 pm
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Awl --
For those of us without cnc lathes, or right-angle heads, drilling/tapping
long stuff axially can be a real pain -- well, at least for hack matchinists
such as myself, and effing morons like jb.
Even with cnc lathes, iffin you don't have live tooling, a non-spinning
drill presents real problems, at least for me, ito chip evacuation, as well
as adequate coolant.
Thus, I like to do as many of these tasks on a vmc as I can.
A BP (and some drill presses) allows you to hang long stuff over the side,
but this is its own pita.
I have found a way to axially drill/tap the ends of long material pretty
accurately, up to mebbe 20" long, in a vmc.
The Fadal has a stock Z of about 19", *plus* 4" travel above the tool
carousel (machine Z0), for a total of 23".
However, a short tool holder + a stubby drill or tap subtracts at least 3"
from this, thus the 20" limit.
Now, I mount a collet chuck on a frame made from 1x3 alum (I inherited about
1500 lbs of this, in 3' lengths -- goodgawd), with the vertical members
being quickly unboltable, for various heights.
The bottom horizontal member is also interchangeable, for attaching directly
to the table, or in a single vise, or "half off" a vise (for rod clearance
clear down to the table), or between two vises. The horizontal alum of
course need a hole in line with the collet chuck barrel.
Now, the collet chuck can be positioned in height so that the minimum amount
of material protrudes.
Natcherly, the higher the collet chuck, the less rigid the setup will be,
but for drilling/tapping and lite facing etc, this is not really an issue,
and 1x3 alum is plenty strong.
The other way to go about this is to mount one of them big-assed 90's to the
table, plus a fixture, or even the collet chuck itself.
But the above system is a lot more convenient, and versatile, given its
vise-compatibility. And, can also be used on a BP, as well.
I have a ways to go before completely finishing this, as I've been displaced
from le fadal for a while, but it looks very promising.
Drilling/tapping on a manual lathe is actually pretty neat, but unless you
are well set up on hardinge-type stuff, it's a bear for anything approaching
production.
And even with the hardinge secondary stuff, deep tapped holes are not the
swiftest, esp. in tough material.
Iny other idears?
--
PV'd/DT
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Posted by Wayne Weedon on October 15, 2008, 4:45 pm
Please log in for more thread options DrollTroll wrote:
> Iny other idears?
If this is for your "product" and you want to do many of the same item,
then maybe a custom machine albeit a simple one might be the way to go,
could even get the wife to run it;) If you want ideas how to implement
it then I might be able to help ;)
Of course this is not doing it on a vmc or BP as your subject line but
using those is always going to be a compromise.
Wayne.....
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Posted by john on October 15, 2008, 5:37 pm
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DrollTroll wrote:
> Awl --
>
> For those of us without cnc lathes, or right-angle heads, drilling/tapping
> long stuff axially can be a real pain -- well, at least for hack matchinists
> such as myself, and effing morons like jb.
>
> Even with cnc lathes, iffin you don't have live tooling, a non-spinning
> drill presents real problems, at least for me, ito chip evacuation, as well
> as adequate coolant.
> Thus, I like to do as many of these tasks on a vmc as I can.
>
> A BP (and some drill presses) allows you to hang long stuff over the side,
> but this is its own pita.
>
> I have found a way to axially drill/tap the ends of long material pretty
> accurately, up to mebbe 20" long, in a vmc.
>
> The Fadal has a stock Z of about 19", *plus* 4" travel above the tool
> carousel (machine Z0), for a total of 23".
>
> However, a short tool holder + a stubby drill or tap subtracts at least 3"
> from this, thus the 20" limit.
>
> Now, I mount a collet chuck on a frame made from 1x3 alum (I inherited about
> 1500 lbs of this, in 3' lengths -- goodgawd), with the vertical members
> being quickly unboltable, for various heights.
>
> The bottom horizontal member is also interchangeable, for attaching directly
> to the table, or in a single vise, or "half off" a vise (for rod clearance
> clear down to the table), or between two vises. The horizontal alum of
> course need a hole in line with the collet chuck barrel.
>
> Now, the collet chuck can be positioned in height so that the minimum amount
> of material protrudes.
>
> Natcherly, the higher the collet chuck, the less rigid the setup will be,
> but for drilling/tapping and lite facing etc, this is not really an issue,
> and 1x3 alum is plenty strong.
>
> The other way to go about this is to mount one of them big-assed 90's to the
> table, plus a fixture, or even the collet chuck itself.
> But the above system is a lot more convenient, and versatile, given its
> vise-compatibility. And, can also be used on a BP, as well.
>
> I have a ways to go before completely finishing this, as I've been displaced
> from le fadal for a while, but it looks very promising.
>
> Drilling/tapping on a manual lathe is actually pretty neat, but unless you
> are well set up on hardinge-type stuff, it's a bear for anything approaching
> production.
> And even with the hardinge secondary stuff, deep tapped holes are not the
> swiftest, esp. in tough material.
>
> Iny other idears?
>
YOu could swing the bridgeport head over all the way and put the stuff
flat on the table.
or you could sub it out to someone who has a horizontal.
John
John
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Posted by Jon Anderson on October 15, 2008, 6:19 pm
Please log in for more thread options DrollTroll wrote:
> Iny other idears?
Ever thought about adding a horizontal spindle to the Z
axis? Not a right angle head, but a whole separate spindle?
I'm sure it would be a chore, but at least it's an idears....
I saw a manual mill on ebay once with a spindle mounted in
the base casting. Pictures didn't reveal exactly how it was
done or what drove it. But it would have been perfect for
edge drilling plate or end working long parts.
One of these days I want to CNC a small manual horizontal
just for the occasional odd job where it would be handy.
Jon
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Posted by Uhh_Clem on October 16, 2008, 12:52 pm
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> Awl --
>
> For those of us without cnc lathes, or right-angle heads, drilling/tapping
> long stuff axially can be a real pain -- well, at least for hack
matchinists
> such as myself, and effing morons like jb.
>
> Even with cnc lathes, iffin you don't have live tooling, a non-spinning
> drill presents real problems, at least for me, ito chip evacuation, as
well
> as adequate coolant.
> Thus, I like to do as many of these tasks on a vmc as I can.
>
> A BP (and some drill presses) allows you to hang long stuff over the side,
> but this is its own pita.
>
> I have found a way to axially drill/tap the ends of long material pretty
> accurately, up to mebbe 20" long, in a vmc.
>
> The Fadal has a stock Z of about 19", *plus* 4" travel above the tool
> carousel (machine Z0), for a total of 23".
>
> However, a short tool holder + a stubby drill or tap subtracts at least 3"
> from this, thus the 20" limit.
>
> Now, I mount a collet chuck on a frame made from 1x3 alum (I inherited
about
> 1500 lbs of this, in 3' lengths -- goodgawd), with the vertical members
> being quickly unboltable, for various heights.
>
> The bottom horizontal member is also interchangeable, for attaching
directly
> to the table, or in a single vise, or "half off" a vise (for rod clearance
> clear down to the table), or between two vises. The horizontal alum of
> course need a hole in line with the collet chuck barrel.
>
> Now, the collet chuck can be positioned in height so that the minimum
amount
> of material protrudes.
>
> Natcherly, the higher the collet chuck, the less rigid the setup will be,
> but for drilling/tapping and lite facing etc, this is not really an issue,
> and 1x3 alum is plenty strong.
>
> The other way to go about this is to mount one of them big-assed 90's to
the
> table, plus a fixture, or even the collet chuck itself.
> But the above system is a lot more convenient, and versatile, given its
> vise-compatibility. And, can also be used on a BP, as well.
>
> I have a ways to go before completely finishing this, as I've been
displaced
> from le fadal for a while, but it looks very promising.
>
> Drilling/tapping on a manual lathe is actually pretty neat, but unless you
> are well set up on hardinge-type stuff, it's a bear for anything
approaching
> production.
> And even with the hardinge secondary stuff, deep tapped holes are not the
> swiftest, esp. in tough material.
>
> Iny other idears?
>
buy a couple of them cheap assed drill presses from say harbor
freight--fasten both of them down horizontally to a bench with a tap drill
in one and in the other one a tapmatic head.
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>
> For those of us without cnc lathes, or right-angle heads, drilling/tapping
> long stuff axially can be a real pain -- well, at least for hack matchinists
> such as myself, and effing morons like jb.
>
> Even with cnc lathes, iffin you don't have live tooling, a non-spinning
> drill presents real problems, at least for me, ito chip evacuation, as well
> as adequate coolant.
> Thus, I like to do as many of these tasks on a vmc as I can.
>
> A BP (and some drill presses) allows you to hang long stuff over the side,
> but this is its own pita.
>
> I have found a way to axially drill/tap the ends of long material pretty
> accurately, up to mebbe 20" long, in a vmc.
>
> The Fadal has a stock Z of about 19", *plus* 4" travel above the tool
> carousel (machine Z0), for a total of 23".
>
> However, a short tool holder + a stubby drill or tap subtracts at least 3"
> from this, thus the 20" limit.
>
> Now, I mount a collet chuck on a frame made from 1x3 alum (I inherited about
> 1500 lbs of this, in 3' lengths -- goodgawd), with the vertical members
> being quickly unboltable, for various heights.
>
> The bottom horizontal member is also interchangeable, for attaching directly
> to the table, or in a single vise, or "half off" a vise (for rod clearance
> clear down to the table), or between two vises. The horizontal alum of
> course need a hole in line with the collet chuck barrel.
>
> Now, the collet chuck can be positioned in height so that the minimum amount
> of material protrudes.
>
> Natcherly, the higher the collet chuck, the less rigid the setup will be,
> but for drilling/tapping and lite facing etc, this is not really an issue,
> and 1x3 alum is plenty strong.
>
> The other way to go about this is to mount one of them big-assed 90's to the
> table, plus a fixture, or even the collet chuck itself.
> But the above system is a lot more convenient, and versatile, given its
> vise-compatibility. And, can also be used on a BP, as well.
>
> I have a ways to go before completely finishing this, as I've been displaced
> from le fadal for a while, but it looks very promising.
>
> Drilling/tapping on a manual lathe is actually pretty neat, but unless you
> are well set up on hardinge-type stuff, it's a bear for anything approaching
> production.
> And even with the hardinge secondary stuff, deep tapped holes are not the
> swiftest, esp. in tough material.
>
> Iny other idears?
>