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Posted by Proctologically Violated®© on July 14, 2008, 3:55 pm
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> Proctologically Violated®© wrote:
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>>> JRWheels wrote:
>>>> There is nothing intended to be tricky or hidden, simply doing the
>>>> math properly to ensure the tooling is cutting properly.
>>>>
>>>> Start of Quiz:
>>> I just sent my answer to Jim.
>>
>> So, what, you never let people copy off you in grade school????
>> Sheesh........
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> PV:
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> Ahhh, but when you copy from someone else you're never really sure if who
> you're copying from is correct or not.
>
> Since Jim has posted the answer and explanation, here was what I sent him:
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> Jim:
>
> Well, tool #1 RPM = 3.82 X 500 SF / .750 or 2546 RPM
>
> IPM = .002 X 4 teeth X 2546 RPM or 20.4 IPM
>
> So adding .5 on each end of the bar to clear the 3/8" radius of the
> end mill should give a 13" length. 13" / 20.4 IPM = .64 min. or 38.4 sec.
>
> Tool #2 Would be .750 ball end mill. But being that the dept. is only
> .0215 the width of cut would be c = 2 X square root of h(2r-h) or .2503.
> So RPM = 7640 IPM = 61.12 Starting off and finishing off the bar by .250
> on either side, the length would be 12.5 / 61.12 IPM or .205 min. or 12.3
> sec.
>
> So adding 38.4 sec. and 12.3 sec I get 50.7 sec. So my answer would
> be "D".
>
> Now IF the tool centerlines were started ON the 12" bar length the
> times would be: 12"/20.4 = .588 min. or 35.28 sec. And 12"/61.12 = .196
> min. or 11.76 sec. 35.28 + 11.75 = 47.03 sec. or "C".
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>
> After sending that to Jim, I looking at his list of multiple choice
> answers more closely and a saw I had made an error. So I sent the
> following addendum:
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> BottleBob wrote:
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> > So adding 38.4 sec. and 12.3 sec I get 50.7 sec. So my answer
> would be "D".
>
> Opps, 50.7 seconds is less than 51 seconds, so BOTH of my answers
> would be "C".
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> After sending that addendum, I looked at his multiple choice answers AGAIN
> and saw that there was STILL an error. So I sent the following (I've just
> now added a copy of his original multiple choice list).
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> Jim:
>
> There's an anomaly in your answer list. My first answer of 50.7 is
> MORE than "C" and LESS than "D". LOL
>
> Multiple Choice Answers:
> A. Less than 35 Seconds
> B. Between 35 and 44 Seconds
> C. Between 45 and 50 Seconds
> D. More than 51 seconds but Less Than 1 Minute
> E. More than 1 Minute
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>
> You see how convoluted things can get? And YOU want to copy from ME? LOL
>
> Also, you can see how handy saving E-mails and posts to an accessible
> "SENT" folder can be now, right? <g>
You ARE scary!!
And we're not even getting meteephysical or exeestential!!!
Well, mebbe Jim will give you a make-up quiz.
One thing is for sure:
Vinny either has the most profitable shop in the USA, or has no bidniss at
all!! :)
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Posted by JRWheels on July 14, 2008, 4:53 pm
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> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 After sending that addendum, I looked at his multiple cho=
ice answers
> AGAIN and saw that there was STILL an error. =A0So I sent the following
> (I've just now added a copy of his original multiple choice list).
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> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> Jim:
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> =A0 =A0 =A0There's an anomaly in your answer list. =A0My first answer of =
50.7
> is MORE than "C" and LESS than "D". =A0 =A0LOL
>
> Multiple Choice Answers:
> A. =A0 =A0Less than 35 Seconds
> B. =A0 =A0Between 35 and 44 Seconds
> C. =A0 =A0Between 45 and 50 Seconds
> D. =A0 =A0More than 51 seconds but Less Than 1 Minute
> E. =A0 =A0More than 1 Minute
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
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> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 You see how convoluted things can get? =A0And YOU want to=
copy from ME?
> =A0 =A0 LOL
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Also, you can see how handy saving E-mails and posts to a=
n accessible
> "SENT" folder can be now, right? =A0 <g>
>
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> BottleBobhttp://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob
Bob & PV,
I couldn't have planned that if I tried to, leaving a gap between the
(50 second) max of one answer and the (51 second) beginning of the
next. I surely didn't plan on that but makes you aware of how things
can get twisted around. Of Course Bob fits an answer right in there
for me to stumble and bumble on. hahahaha
The whole premise behind the quiz was to simply get everyone that is
interested to realize these tools run differently even though they
show up on the same page in some tooling catalogs calling them 3/4"
endmills and refer to a certain page for Tech Help.
Then to show the theory of calculating the True Diameter that is
cutting is how it leads into the High Feed Cutter Designs that look
scary as hell to see them run. These tools are money makers when
running properly. However, let me repeat this, HOWEVER since they are
traveling so fast and shooting chips all over the place, if and when
something may turn ugly, its REAL ugly. You don't want to walk away
from the control when these things are ripping material off of blocks.
The other thing a shop recently justified while running these cutters
on several machines was a Clean-up Kid. The Operators had to keep
stopping the machines and clean out chips and dump chip hoppers so
often, at which time the machine sat idle, they actually justified the
additional cost of a Clean-Up Kid to speed things up. If you measure
Milling Effectiveness by the amount of chips coming from a machine,
these tools will win you over.
JR
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Posted by Anthony on July 13, 2008, 9:29 pm
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> Multiple Choice Answers:
> A. Less than 35 Seconds
> B. Between 35 and 44 Seconds
> C. Between 45 and 50 Seconds
> D. More than 51 seconds but Less Than 1 Minute
> E. More than 1 Minute
>
> If you want to explain your math behind the answer feel free to do
> so.
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Revolutions to complete cut == 12/0.008 (4 flute, 0.002 per flute) == 1500
Revolutions required per cut
Assuming a 0.625 EM to cut the 0.75 slot
500 SFM = 3055 RPM / 60 sec = 50.916 rev/sec
Assuming a 0.75 EM to cut the 0.75 slot
500 SFM = 2546 RPM / 60 sec = 42.43 rev/sec
Ball EM = 0.17437 actual cut dia
500 SFM = 10953 RPM / 60 sec = 182.55 rev/sec
So, for the 0.625 EM, 1500/50.916 = 29.46 seconds x 2 == 58.92 sec for flat
slot
For the 0.75 EM, 1500/42.43 == 35.35 sec for flat slot
For the radius EM, 1500/182.55 = 8.21 sec
So, depending on whether you use a 0.625 em or a 0.75 EM for the flat spot:
0.625 EM + Ball em = 67.13 sec
0.75 EM + Ball Em = 43.56 sec
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Posted by BottleBob on July 13, 2008, 10:04 pm
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Anthony wrote:
> d355212f533d@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
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>> Multiple Choice Answers:
>> A. Less than 35 Seconds
>> B. Between 35 and 44 Seconds
>> C. Between 45 and 50 Seconds
>> D. More than 51 seconds but Less Than 1 Minute
>> E. More than 1 Minute
>>
>> If you want to explain your math behind the answer feel free to do
>> so.
>>
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> Revolutions to complete cut == 12/0.008 (4 flute, 0.002 per flute) == 1500
> Revolutions required per cut
>
> Assuming a 0.625 EM to cut the 0.75 slot
Anthony:
To use a 5/8 end mill you'd have to make more than one pass.
> 500 SFM = 3055 RPM / 60 sec = 50.916 rev/sec
> Assuming a 0.75 EM to cut the 0.75 slot
> 500 SFM = 2546 RPM / 60 sec = 42.43 rev/sec
>
> Ball EM = 0.17437 actual cut dia
.17437 is the chord length for a diameter of 3/8" not a radius of 3/8".
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Posted by Anthony on July 14, 2008, 6:05 am
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> Anthony:
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> To use a 5/8 end mill you'd have to make more than one pass.
Yes, I knew that and thought I took that into consideration with the
cycle time calculation, did I not? (Can't see my post.)
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>> 500 SFM = 3055 RPM / 60 sec = 50.916 rev/sec
>> Assuming a 0.75 EM to cut the 0.75 slot
>> 500 SFM = 2546 RPM / 60 sec = 42.43 rev/sec
>>
>> Ball EM = 0.17437 actual cut dia
>
> .17437 is the chord length for a diameter of 3/8" not a radius of
> 3/8".
>
You are correct. I flubbed that one.
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