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Posted by jmcman on May 3, 2006, 2:00 am
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howdy all
are the poles the same for 120 as for 240? <im guessin its single
phase?>
tried posting this over in p.m.'s welding forum & and so far, no help
there. maybe somebody here can please help? i'm clueless 'bout ac
electrical and this place seems to be the bestust cluemart around.
i'm an apartment rat, so makin electrical smoke in da garage would
get me voted right heck off the island an lynched by the already
terrified neighbors and landlord. occasional weldin smoke which don't
linger as badly might hopefully sneak under the radar. i'd surely
appreciate your collective wisdom.
snagged an 'as new' lil toy stick 100 amp speedway welder dirt cheap
off epay to occasionally gob small stuff together. seller's ad said it
was 110v. when it arrived, i saw it was 220v. seller refunded (very
cool!) but due to low sale price, an el jippo brand wasn't worth
shipping back. so i now have an uber cheap spankin new hobby welder!
problem though, i rent and don't have 220v service . . .
welder has an inline twistlock power plug that looks like & mates up
perfectly with a 110 twistlock adapter i already had for
skillsaw--twistlock to regular 110v polerized wallplug. if i plug this
welder in usin that adapter, is it gonna short out & make smoke? are
the power terminal's polarity poles the same? pretty sure it'd be
gutless if it does work, but if it don't short out. dunno. i was hopin
it may at least burn light rod with 120, or use it for carbon arc,
maybe an electrolitic power supply, er? maybe a edm bathtoy/tampax
remover fer the ex?
if it would simply short n smoke as is, could i maybe just switch the
power wires around?
dang shame letting this shiny lil buzzbox just sit mitout building
sumptin nefarious with it.
comments/suggestions? gracias --john
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Posted by Ioan Barladeanu on May 3, 2006, 3:55 am
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Heh.. polarity doesn't matter in AC. We don't even have polarised plugs
here (as far as I know UK uses them, but I don't know of many who do).
It might make a small difference just for some sensitive electronics,
but the main idea is that the polarity is switched 50 times a second
for 220v, or 60 times for 110. And a welder isn't that sensitive :-)
Probably the worst that could happen is the unit not putting out enough
power.
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Posted by Gunner on May 3, 2006, 5:08 am
Please log in for more thread options On 3 May 2006 00:55:01 -0700, "Ioan Barladeanu"
>Heh.. polarity doesn't matter in AC. We don't even have polarised plugs
>here (as far as I know UK uses them, but I don't know of many who do).
>It might make a small difference just for some sensitive electronics,
>but the main idea is that the polarity is switched 50 times a second
>for 220v, or 60 times for 110. And a welder isn't that sensitive :-)
>Probably the worst that could happen is the unit not putting out enough
>power.
Ive seen some of those welders with dual input voltages. Take off the
cover and see if it was made for the global market
Gunner
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Posted by jmcman on May 5, 2006, 2:41 am
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Gunner wrote:
> On 3 May 2006 00:55:01 -0700, "Ioan Barladeanu"
>
> >Heh.. polarity doesn't matter in AC. We don't even have polarised plugs
> >here (as far as I know UK uses them, but I don't know of many who do).
> >It might make a small difference just for some sensitive electronics,
> >but the main idea is that the polarity is switched 50 times a second
> >for 220v, or 60 times for 110. And a welder isn't that sensitive :-)
> >Probably the worst that could happen is the unit not putting out enough
> >power.
>
> Ive seen some of those welders with dual input voltages. Take off the
> cover and see if it was made for the global market
>
> Gunner
Ioan & Gunner
Thanks guys. I was thinkin the wires maybe were polorized onacounta
one of da prongs is wider than tother both onna twistlock & the regular
120 spade plug an wernt sure if it mattered, or if were the same on
240. i'll pop the panel off and see if there's a dual volt switch
inside; that's sumptin wut never even crossed me tiny gourd and sounds
like a very possible maybe! seems funny about the 120 twistlock adapter
fitting, it's been years, but somethin real foggy in the ol memory
seems like the 240 twistlocks wouldn't useta fit the 120s, designed
thata way ta keep boneheaded const workers from eatin up skilsaws,
sidegrinders, drills & the like out on jobsites.
gracias --john
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Posted by reader on May 5, 2006, 2:48 am
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> howdy all
> are the poles the same for 120 as for 240? <im guessin its single
> phase?>
> tried posting this over in p.m.'s welding forum & and so far, no help
> there. maybe somebody here can please help? i'm clueless 'bout ac
> electrical and this place seems to be the bestust cluemart around.
> i'm an apartment rat, so makin electrical smoke in da garage would
> get me voted right heck off the island an lynched by the already
> terrified neighbors and landlord. occasional weldin smoke which don't
> linger as badly might hopefully sneak under the radar. i'd surely
> appreciate your collective wisdom.
>
> snagged an 'as new' lil toy stick 100 amp speedway welder dirt cheap
> off epay to occasionally gob small stuff together. seller's ad said it
> was 110v. when it arrived, i saw it was 220v. seller refunded (very
> cool!) but due to low sale price, an el jippo brand wasn't worth
> shipping back. so i now have an uber cheap spankin new hobby welder!
>
> problem though, i rent and don't have 220v service . . .
>
> welder has an inline twistlock power plug that looks like & mates up
> perfectly with a 110 twistlock adapter i already had for
> skillsaw--twistlock to regular 110v polerized wallplug. if i plug this
> welder in usin that adapter, is it gonna short out & make smoke? are
> the power terminal's polarity poles the same? pretty sure it'd be
> gutless if it does work, but if it don't short out. dunno. i was hopin
> it may at least burn light rod with 120, or use it for carbon arc,
> maybe an electrolitic power supply, er? maybe a edm bathtoy/tampax
> remover fer the ex?
>
> if it would simply short n smoke as is, could i maybe just switch the
> power wires around?
> dang shame letting this shiny lil buzzbox just sit mitout building
> sumptin nefarious with it.
> comments/suggestions? gracias --john
> problem though, i rent and don't have 220v service . . .
Don't you have a dryer? (usually 220V)
>
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>here (as far as I know UK uses them, but I don't know of many who do).
>It might make a small difference just for some sensitive electronics,
>but the main idea is that the polarity is switched 50 times a second
>for 220v, or 60 times for 110. And a welder isn't that sensitive :-)
>Probably the worst that could happen is the unit not putting out enough
>power.