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Posted by Louis Ohland on May 2, 2006, 9:59 pm
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Thankfully there's not much need to carry around here. Aside from the
aesthetic qualities of the 16, wouldn't a pistol be better for close
quarters? Put a good laser or a holo site on it and use a 10MM. Bet you
could easily reach out to 75yds....
I'd rather build an electric gatling for .221 and hope the free recoil
wouldn't toss me backwards...
Tom Gardner wrote:
>> On Mon, 01 May 2006 20:17:55 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm,
>>
>>> No desire for "The Black Rifle". uncomfortable to carry slung, rattles,
>>> sights could be improved, PITA to clean. An M1 has more glitz.
>>>
>>> I hope the XM-8 finally gets issued.
>>>
>>> Give me Metalstorm for lots of lead.
>> Metalstorm? That's what Tom Gardner needed for use outside his shop
>> during the burglary streak. And mount one on the roof for those people
>> who would get bad ideas. A perimeter wire would immediately light it
>> at night so they'd know they were being detected. <g>
>>
> I appreciate the humor! Interesting subject right now, I've been having a
> bunch of long conversations with one of my engineers for the past week or so
> about firearms...probably catalyzed by my upcoming AR-15 build. I've been
> retrospective about what guns are for and every time I went down to the
> shop after the alarm and went through the place (it's like a rabbit warren)
> gun-in-hand with my heart pounding...God I hate that feeling! I don't feel
> so embarrassed, Roger my engineer says He feels the same way when he's done
> the sweep thing and he was Special Forces in Nam, an instructor teaching
> combat/defensive and was in the unfortunate situation of having to shoot and
> kill two tangos that tried to assault him and his wife that were working
> late at his business. God, I don't want to kill anybody especially over
> "stuff" that can be replaced but God help anybody that threatens me or mine!
> Stuff can be replaced!
>
> I made the mistake of congratulating a guy that DIDN'T use a gun when he
> might have on the rec guns newsgroup while looking for AR-15 info and was
> BLASTED as a pussy anti-gun liberal...that's where the scary gun idiots are!
>
> So, Roger explained the facts of life to me as we were discussing the pros
> and cons of carrying a gun. There are a LOT of people that have guns that
> shouldn't and my point was that if people (not all) have a gun, they are
> more inclined to use it rather than use their head. Roger usually carries,
> I usually don't. I WAY trust him with my life to carry but there are very
> few people that I DO trust with a gun. Most people think that they
> automatically become gun experts and psychology experts due to the fact of
> ownership It seems that gun owners fit loosely in four categories: Hunters,
> Target, Defensive/combat shooters and idiots. The categories don't overlap
> much...especially the idiots with guns...and they scare me!
>
> So, no roof nests for me but a shiny new AR-15 and the fun of machining the
> lower from a billet, I will cop-out and buy the jig.
>
>
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Posted by Tom Gardner on May 3, 2006, 12:51 am
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> Thankfully there's not much need to carry around here. Aside from the
> aesthetic qualities of the 16, wouldn't a pistol be better for close
> quarters? Put a good laser or a holo site on it and use a 10MM. Bet you
> could easily reach out to 75yds....
>
> I'd rather build an electric gatling for .221 and hope the free recoil
> wouldn't toss me backwards...
THAT I want to see!
I only want the AR because of the ease of building one and it would be
fairly cheap. I have enough pistols for a while and can't think of one that
would excite me. I don't have a really BIG one like a Casull but even I
can't justify it. I already have two 5.56mm rifles so I have plenty of
supplies and dies. Like you said, the aesthetic qualities are probably my
biggest draw and I like the engineering. Definitely not for a "situation".
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Posted by SteveF on May 3, 2006, 7:28 am
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>
>> On Mon, 01 May 2006 20:17:55 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm,
>>
>>>No desire for "The Black Rifle". uncomfortable to carry slung, rattles,
>>>sights could be improved, PITA to clean. An M1 has more glitz.
>>>
>>>I hope the XM-8 finally gets issued.
>>>
>>>Give me Metalstorm for lots of lead.
>>
>> Metalstorm? That's what Tom Gardner needed for use outside his shop
>> during the burglary streak. And mount one on the roof for those people
>> who would get bad ideas. A perimeter wire would immediately light it
>> at night so they'd know they were being detected. <g>
>>
> I appreciate the humor! Interesting subject right now, I've been having a
> bunch of long conversations with one of my engineers for the past week or
> so about firearms...probably catalyzed by my upcoming AR-15 build. I've
> been retrospective about what guns are for and every time I went down to
> the shop after the alarm and went through the place (it's like a rabbit
> warren) gun-in-hand with my heart pounding...God I hate that feeling! I
> don't feel so embarrassed, Roger my engineer says He feels the same way
> when he's done the sweep thing and he was Special Forces in Nam, an
> instructor teaching combat/defensive and was in the unfortunate situation
> of having to shoot and kill two tangos that tried to assault him and his
> wife that were working late at his business. God, I don't want to kill
> anybody especially over "stuff" that can be replaced but God help anybody
> that threatens me or mine! Stuff can be replaced!
>
> I made the mistake of congratulating a guy that DIDN'T use a gun when he
> might have on the rec guns newsgroup while looking for AR-15 info and was
> BLASTED as a pussy anti-gun liberal...that's where the scary gun idiots
> are!
>
Years ago my girlfriend (now wife) called me and told me some drunk was
pounding on her door at 2 am and kept it up for a while before leaving and
she was scared to death. It was a VERY small apartment, 2nd floor, so
nowhere to run or escape. So I brought over one of my handguns and gave her
some instructions (she grew up hunting but didn't have much handgun
experience). She was concerned about needed to go to the range to practice
and my reply was "If someone breaks the glass and is reaching in to unlock
the door, just fire a shot into the drywall over the door. I doubt they
will stick around to see if your aim improves with the second try".
Steve.
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Posted by Tom Gardner on May 3, 2006, 9:30 am
Please log in for more thread options > Years ago my girlfriend (now wife) called me and told me some drunk was
> pounding on her door at 2 am and kept it up for a while before leaving and
> she was scared to death. It was a VERY small apartment, 2nd floor, so
> nowhere to run or escape. So I brought over one of my handguns and gave
> her some instructions (she grew up hunting but didn't have much handgun
> experience). She was concerned about needed to go to the range to
> practice and my reply was "If someone breaks the glass and is reaching in
> to unlock the door, just fire a shot into the drywall over the door. I
> doubt they will stick around to see if your aim improves with the second
> try".
>
> Steve.
Chances are their underwear wouldn't improve either.
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Posted by Gunner on May 3, 2006, 1:45 pm
Please log in for more thread options On Wed, 03 May 2006 13:30:38 GMT, "Tom Gardner"
>> Years ago my girlfriend (now wife) called me and told me some drunk was
>> pounding on her door at 2 am and kept it up for a while before leaving and
>> she was scared to death. It was a VERY small apartment, 2nd floor, so
>> nowhere to run or escape. So I brought over one of my handguns and gave
>> her some instructions (she grew up hunting but didn't have much handgun
>> experience). She was concerned about needed to go to the range to
>> practice and my reply was "If someone breaks the glass and is reaching in
>> to unlock the door, just fire a shot into the drywall over the door. I
>> doubt they will stick around to see if your aim improves with the second
>> try".
>>
>> Steve.
>
>Chances are their underwear wouldn't improve either.
>
I reemailed that stuff Id researched to you.
Gunner
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