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Calling all you chemists... Steve Lusardi 05-14-2008
Posted by Steve Lusardi on May 14, 2008, 11:47 am
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Will urine ie human waste corrode 316L valves and pipe? The question is
asked because waste tanks are typically plastic, but Lloyds A1 certification
requires all through hull valves to be fire proof. Fireproof valves are
typically 316L. I have purchased all my valves from the chemical industry. I
have been told that urine will corrode 316 over time. I don't believe it. If
316 is good enough for corrosives in industry, why would it not stand up to
human waste? If anybody knows for sure, please let me know.
Steve



Posted by Spehro Pefhany on May 14, 2008, 12:15 pm
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On Wed, 14 May 2008 17:47:45 +0200, "Steve Lusardi"

>Will urine ie human waste corrode 316L valves and pipe? The question is
>asked because waste tanks are typically plastic, but Lloyds A1 certification
>requires all through hull valves to be fire proof. Fireproof valves are
>typically 316L. I have purchased all my valves from the chemical industry. I
>have been told that urine will corrode 316 over time. I don't believe it. If
>316 is good enough for corrosives in industry, why would it not stand up to
>human waste? If anybody knows for sure, please let me know.
>Steve
>

Here's a chemical compatibility chart, which shows 316's performance
as "Excellent" in this application:

http://www.sscableties.com/chem_pz.htm

316L (low carbon) should have very similar chemical resistance
properties at reasonable temperatures.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
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Posted by Steve Lusardi on May 15, 2008, 4:20 am
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Spehro,
Thanks for your response. It gives me some peace of mind.
Steve

> On Wed, 14 May 2008 17:47:45 +0200, "Steve Lusardi"
>
>>Will urine ie human waste corrode 316L valves and pipe? The question is
>>asked because waste tanks are typically plastic, but Lloyds A1
>>certification
>>requires all through hull valves to be fire proof. Fireproof valves are
>>typically 316L. I have purchased all my valves from the chemical industry.
>>I
>>have been told that urine will corrode 316 over time. I don't believe it.
>>If
>>316 is good enough for corrosives in industry, why would it not stand up
>>to
>>human waste? If anybody knows for sure, please let me know.
>>Steve
>>
>
> Here's a chemical compatibility chart, which shows 316's performance
> as "Excellent" in this application:
>
> http://www.sscableties.com/chem_pz.htm
>
> 316L (low carbon) should have very similar chemical resistance
> properties at reasonable temperatures.
> Best regards,
> Spehro Pefhany
> --
> "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
> speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers:
> http://www.trexon.com
> Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers:
> http://www.speff.com



Posted by Karl Townsend on May 14, 2008, 12:29 pm
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> Will urine ie human waste corrode 316L valves and pipe? The question is
> asked because waste tanks are typically plastic, but Lloyds A1
> certification requires all through hull valves to be fire proof. Fireproof
> valves are typically 316L. I have purchased all my valves from the
> chemical industry. I

FWIW, there have generally been bronze valves in the head on most Ocean
charter fishing boats.

Karl




Posted by Steve Lusardi on May 15, 2008, 4:06 am
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Karl,
Thank you for your response. I do know that bronze has been used for through
hulls in the past, but rarely now in steel hulls because of electrolosis
issues. Although bronze satisfies the Lloyds issue, its use brings to bear a
whole new set of corrosion issues.
Steve

>
>> Will urine ie human waste corrode 316L valves and pipe? The question is
>> asked because waste tanks are typically plastic, but Lloyds A1
>> certification requires all through hull valves to be fire proof.
>> Fireproof valves are typically 316L. I have purchased all my valves from
>> the chemical industry. I
>
> FWIW, there have generally been bronze valves in the head on most Ocean
> charter fishing boats.
>
> Karl
>
>
>



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