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Casting / Foundry of small brass antique musical instrument air key CWChaplain 05-05-2008
Posted by Andy on May 6, 2008, 8:38 am
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> > > > CWChapl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > Greetings. I have a brass air key from an antique musical instrume=
nt
> > > > > which I would like to see if I could have some sort of appliance m=
ade
> > > > > to duplicate it myself. The part is small ... ~5" long, formed
> > > > > brass ... looks like a spoon. Can anyone please make recommendatio=
ns
> > > > > for a casting set (punch & die?) to put in a hydraulic press? or
> > > > > perhaps a cast iron "hammer form". The part is ~140 years old, and=
is
> > > > > not replaceable, so perhaps I could make a mold of it, or preferea=
bly
> > > > > find someone to take on this type of project in the Maryland or
> > > > > surrounding states (to which I would be willing to drive). Someone=

> > > > > told me that the Amish have foundrys and are resonable in the
> > > > > costs ... ? All help, suggestions, etc., are greatly appreciated. =
Andy
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> > > > It doesn't make sense to cast one part. =A0Most likely a good crafts=
man in
> > > > brass could duplicate the part from brass sheet. =A0If the design is=
such
> > > > that it can't be made from sheet (has a big block in one spot, like =
the
> > > > hinge, for instance) then it might be made in two pieces and joined.=

> > > > Experts in this type of fabrication can make hard solder joints you
> > > > can't even see.
>
> > > > Guessing at what the part looks like, investment casting might be th=
e
> > > > only way to cast something long and thin, and such parts are often q=
uite
> > > > difficult.
>
> > > > I'm not sure what you mean by "casting set (punch & die?)". =A0You c=
ast
> > > > molten metal in a mold, choices are such as sand casting, lost wax a=
nd
> > > > investment. =A0A punch and die would stamp a piece out of sheet meta=
l.
> > > > You can form the metal with a punch, too.
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> > > > Jon
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> > > Thank you for your reply Jon. I appoligize for my incorrect terms.
> > > What I was trying to describe is a two part set of ? what ever the
> > > term would be? that had the profile of the air key, where the bottom
> > > portion would be the underneath of the key, overtop of which would be
> > > laid a sheet of .032 brass, overtop of which would be the matching top=

> > > portion of the profile (less the thickness of the brass sheet. I was
> > > hopeing that this rid could then be put in a hydraulic press, pressed
> > > together to form the key, and I would be left with only triming,
> > > filing, and drilling, etc. to finish the piece.
> > > With the hammer form concept, the bottom profile would only be made,
> > > and I would need to use harwood punches to "tap" the form into the
> > > piece.
> > > I don't know what lost wax and investment are, however, once I finish
> > > with this post, I will do some research.
> > > Thank you again.
>
> > You might consider taking some photos and putting them up somewhere
> > available to the public. =A0Put a scale in the photo somewhere. =A0(Imag=
es
> > won't work on this newsgroup.)
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> > Joe Gwinn- Hide quoted text -
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> Thank you for the suggestion Joesph.
> I posted three pictures at the following URL:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/andyacc/
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> I worked on this some last night, and thank God, I think that this is
> do-able with just some bending and dapping.
> However, I'm not there yet ... although I did get a crudely fashioned
> piece.
>
> I will post another question, however do you know of an easy way (I
> don't have many tools, or much money :-) to anneal
> the brass strip I am using. The portion of the long "spoon" that
> attaches to the round disc cracked as I formed it.
> I am hopeing that if I can properly anneal it, that I should be able
> to get this done.
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I forgot to give dimensions of the brass strip ...
~ 5" in total length (the part I wish to anneal is only one end ...
maybe a 1" portion)
~3/4" in width (to be trimmed later)
0.032" thick

Posted by John Martin on May 6, 2008, 7:21 pm
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> I will post another question, however do you know of an easy way (I
> don't have many tools, or much money :-) to anneal
> the brass strip I am using. The portion of the long "spoon" that
> attaches to the round disc cracked as I formed it.
> I am hopeing that if I can properly anneal it, that I should be able
> to get this done.

Hammering and forming will work harden brass. Heat it up and quench
it, as you would harden steel.

John Martin

Posted by Joseph Gwinn on May 6, 2008, 11:48 pm
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In article

> > In article
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > CWChapl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > Greetings. I have a brass air key from an antique musical instrument
> > > > > which I would like to see if I could have some sort of appliance made
> > > > > to duplicate it myself. The part is small ... ~5" long, formed
> > > > > brass ... looks like a spoon. Can anyone please make recommendations
> > > > > for a casting set (punch & die?) to put in a hydraulic press? or
> > > > > perhaps a cast iron "hammer form". The part is ~140 years old, and is
> > > > > not replaceable, so perhaps I could make a mold of it, or prefereably
> > > > > find someone to take on this type of project in the Maryland or
> > > > > surrounding states (to which I would be willing to drive). Someone
> > > > > told me that the Amish have foundrys and are resonable in the
> > > > > costs ... ? All help, suggestions, etc., are greatly appreciated. Andy
> >
> > > > It doesn't make sense to cast one part.  Most likely a good craftsman in
> > > > brass could duplicate the part from brass sheet.  If the design is such
> > > > that it can't be made from sheet (has a big block in one spot, like the
> > > > hinge, for instance) then it might be made in two pieces and joined.
> > > > Experts in this type of fabrication can make hard solder joints you
> > > > can't even see.
> >
> > > > Guessing at what the part looks like, investment casting might be the
> > > > only way to cast something long and thin, and such parts are often quite
> > > > difficult.
> >
> > > > I'm not sure what you mean by "casting set (punch & die?)".  You cast
> > > > molten metal in a mold, choices are such as sand casting, lost wax and
> > > > investment.  A punch and die would stamp a piece out of sheet metal.
> > > > You can form the metal with a punch, too.
> >
> > > > Jon
> >
> > > Thank you for your reply Jon. I appoligize for my incorrect terms.
> > > What I was trying to describe is a two part set of ? what ever the
> > > term would be? that had the profile of the air key, where the bottom
> > > portion would be the underneath of the key, overtop of which would be
> > > laid a sheet of .032 brass, overtop of which would be the matching top
> > > portion of the profile (less the thickness of the brass sheet. I was
> > > hopeing that this rid could then be put in a hydraulic press, pressed
> > > together to form the key, and I would be left with only triming,
> > > filing, and drilling, etc. to finish the piece.
> > > With the hammer form concept, the bottom profile would only be made,
> > > and I would need to use harwood punches to "tap" the form into the
> > > piece.
> > > I don't know what lost wax and investment are, however, once I finish
> > > with this post, I will do some research.
> > > Thank you again.
> >
> > You might consider taking some photos and putting them up somewhere
> > available to the public.  Put a scale in the photo somewhere.  (Images
> > won't work on this newsgroup.)
> >
> > Joe Gwinn- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Thank you for the suggestion Joesph.
> I posted three pictures at the following URL:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/andyacc/
>
> I worked on this some last night, and thank God, I think that this is
> do-able with just some bending and dapping.
> However, I'm not there yet ... although I did get a crudely fashioned
> piece.
>
> I will post another question, however do you know of an easy way (I
> don't have many tools, or much money :-) to anneal
> the brass strip I am using. The portion of the long "spoon" that
> attaches to the round disc cracked as I formed it.
> I am hopeing that if I can properly anneal it, that I should be able
> to get this done.
>
> Thank you in advance.

Heat to red and quench in water. Yes, this is the opposite of what one
does to anneal steel.

Books on artistic metalworking and jewelry making go into how to handle
brass at some length. I'm sure the original manufacture of this
instrument involved dapping into a maplewood form.

Joe Gwinn

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