Edge finder/ Center finder question

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Edge finder/ Center finder question Roger Shoaf 06-07-2008
Posted by Jim Wilkins on June 8, 2008, 7:29 am
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>
> I use the finger nail method. =A0Tapped holes are going to be a problem th=
ough.
>
> Turning a tight pin to stick in tapped hole and indicating that might be m=
ore accurate.
> Usually when you are tring to pick up such a hole, there is something brok=
en in it though
> :(
>
> Wes

Usually when I've had to measure a tapped hole pattern it was to drill
a mounting plate to match. I just put setscrews or Phillips heads in
and visually pick up the center, or for better accuracy chuck a
matching screw in a collet and turn a point or center hole on it. Two
little flats ground on the sides make it removeable with tweezers.

When I asked the machine shop to measure one particularly critical
pattern they used a height gage to measure snug-fitting pin gages in
the holes, but I still had to open up the resulting mounting holes a
little to make the screws fit. I think the tap may have raised an
uneven burr on the ID of the threads.

If I really really had to be accurate I'd single-point a thread that
fits snugly and make my own center plug. A small 5C-mount chuck works
well for a part that has to be removed to check the fit.

Jim Wilkins

Posted by rgoldner on June 8, 2008, 9:46 am
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> On an edge finder there are two ends. =A0The end you use to find the edge =
is
> pretty straight forward, but the pointy end is supposed to be for finding
> the center of holes, but for the life of me I cant seem to figure out how
> this is supposed to work.
>
> Does any one here know?
>
> --
> Roger Shoaf
> If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent.=


Adjust the X and Y axis so that the pointed end of the center/edge
finder is approximately in the center of the hole somewhat below the
surface. With the spindle running slowly, move the X axis until you
see the kick. Note the reading on the dial. Now move the X axis slowly
in the opposite direction until you see the kick. Note the dial
reading. Subtract the smaller reading from the larger. Now move the X
axis toward the center of the hole for half of the calculated
distance. The center finder is now exactly at the center of the hole's
X axis. Repeat for the Y axis and you have found the exact center.

Posted by Roger Shoaf on June 8, 2008, 10:54 am
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Adjust the X and Y axis so that the pointed end of the center/edge
finder is approximately in the center of the hole somewhat below the
surface. With the spindle running slowly, move the X axis until you
see the kick. Note the reading on the dial. Now move the X axis slowly
in the opposite direction until you see the kick. Note the dial
reading. Subtract the smaller reading from the larger. Now move the X
axis toward the center of the hole for half of the calculated
distance. The center finder is now exactly at the center of the hole's
X axis. Repeat for the Y axis and you have found the exact center.


Sounds good except for the backlash. I suppose if you had a DRO this would
work just fine.

--

Roger Shoaf

About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.



Posted by Wes on June 8, 2008, 11:46 am
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>Sounds good except for the backlash. I suppose if you had a DRO this would
>work just fine.

long travel dial indicator and magnetic base?
http://wess.freeshell.org/usenet/rec.crafts.metalworking/Indicator_Base_closeup.jpg

Sit it on way and measure away...


Posted by Jim Wilkins on June 8, 2008, 12:22 pm
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>
> > On an edge finder there are two ends. =A0The end you use to find the edg=
e is
> > pretty straight forward, but the pointy end is supposed to be for findin=
g
> > the center of holes, but for the life of me I cant seem to figure out ho=
w
> > this is supposed to work.
>
> > Does any one here know?
>
> > --
> > Roger Shoaf
> > If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solven=
t.
>
> Adjust the X and Y axis so that the pointed end of the center/edge
> finder is approximately in the center of the hole somewhat below the
> surface. With the spindle running slowly, move the X axis until you
> see the kick. Note the reading on the dial. Now move the X axis slowly
> in the opposite direction until you see the kick. Note the dial
> reading. Subtract the smaller reading from the larger. Now move the X
> axis toward the center of the hole for half of the calculated
> distance. The center finder is now exactly at the center of the hole's
> X axis. Repeat for the Y axis and you have found the exact center.

That may be more accurate if you have a well-lapped center finder but
the cheaper ones aren't repeatable to any better than I can feel with
a fingernail. I can barely make an old Starret repeat to 0.001" on a
surface-ground 1-2-3 block.

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