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Emco Compact 5 lathe / mill Vernon 09-25-2008
Posted by DoN. Nichols on October 3, 2008, 6:28 pm
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> Well, back on topic. I got home with the lathe / mill today. I'm
> delighted to report that it was sitting on a little rubbermaid 5
> drawer tool box that contained a treasure trove of goodies.

        This is for the lathe? Can you post some photos of it -- to the
dropbox <http://www.metalworking.com> if you don't have your own web
page available. I can't receive photos as attachments -- thanks to a
size limit which keeps viruses out of some small mailing lists which I
run.

> We
> haven't inventoried everything yet but there's a lot of stuff. The
> lady who was assigned to escort me was the very same person who used
> the lathe before the plant closure. It was like she was giving up her
> baby to an orphanage. Plant closures are so gut wrenching.

        Indeed so. Were you able to convince her that it was going to a
good home?

> While I was gone the VFD came for the KBC mill. So the family machine
> shop seems to be coming together quickly. I'm reviewing the technical
> instructions on the inverter. There is mention of some additional
> components such as a "reactor" in case the input power is out of
> balance by more than 3% plus a radio noise suppressor. The latter
> probably isn't needed.

        That depends. If you have AM radios in the house, or TVs still
receiving over-the-air signals, the (RF) noise could be a problem.

        But the "3% balance" problem only applies when you are driving
it from three phase. Out-of-balance puts most of the current though two
sets of diodes in the three phase bridge which could cause overheating
at full output. You are derating it somewhat to use from single phase,
so no problem there.

        You are only connecting to the two 240 lines, not to the neutral
(though you should have the safety ground connected).

> But I think the "reactor" may apply to us.
> Since we're in a rural location power is pretty dicey. In fact,
> recently, one leg of the 220v supply died completely. I don't know
> what that would do to an inverter. But at $350 a pop I don't wanna
> find out. Even with my poor math one leg is a tad over 3% if I'm not
> mistaken.

        It would be interpreted as "input voltage too low", and it would
just switch itself off.

> I dug out my 1941 Machinist's Handbook this evening.

        My goodness -- that is as old as I am. I was "published" the
same year. :-)

> I hope we can
> find somebody to teach us the proper care and feeding of the lathe
> before January. That's when the next junior college manual lathe
> operator's course meets.

        There is a set of training manuals for the machine in a yellow
three-ring binder labeled "Basis" IIRC. It is oriented towards the
early instruction set, but the later instructions are covered in an
appendix.

        Best of luck,
                DoN.

--
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Posted by Vernon on October 5, 2008, 2:09 pm
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>
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 [ ... all snipped ... ]
>
> > Well, back on topic. =A0I got home with the lathe / mill today. =A0I'm
> > delighted to report that it was sitting on a little rubbermaid 5
> > drawer tool box that contained a treasure trove of goodies.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 This is for the lathe? =A0Can you post some photos of it =
-- to the
> dropbox <http://www.metalworking.com> if you don't have your own web
> page available. =A0I can't receive photos as attachments -- thanks to a
> size limit which keeps viruses out of some small mailing lists which I
> run.
>
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0We
> > haven't inventoried everything yet but there's a lot of stuff. =A0The
> > lady who was assigned to escort me was the very same person who used
> > the lathe before the plant closure. =A0It was like she was giving up he=
r
> > baby to an orphanage. =A0Plant closures are so gut wrenching.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Indeed so. =A0Were you able to convince her that it was g=
oing to a
> good home?
>
> > While I was gone the VFD came for the KBC mill. =A0So the family machin=
e
> > shop seems to be coming together quickly. =A0I'm reviewing the technica=
l
> > instructions on the inverter. =A0There is mention of some additional
> > components such as a "reactor" in case the input power is out of
> > balance by more than 3% plus a radio noise suppressor. =A0The latter
> > probably isn't needed.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 That depends. =A0If you have AM radios in the house, or T=
Vs still
> receiving over-the-air signals, the (RF) noise could be a problem.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 But the "3% balance" problem only applies when you are dr=
iving
> it from three phase. =A0Out-of-balance puts most of the current though tw=
o
> sets of diodes in the three phase bridge which could cause overheating
> at full output. =A0You are derating it somewhat to use from single phase,
> so no problem there.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 You are only connecting to the two 240 lines, not to the =
neutral
> (though you should have the safety ground connected).
>
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 But I think the "reacto=
r" may apply to us.
> > Since we're in a rural location power is pretty dicey. =A0In fact,
> > recently, one leg of the 220v supply died completely. =A0I don't know
> > what that would do to an inverter. =A0But at $350 a pop I don't wanna
> > find out. =A0Even with my poor math one leg is a tad over 3% if I'm not
> > mistaken.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 It would be interpreted as "input voltage too low", and i=
t would
> just switch itself off.
>
> > I dug out my 1941 Machinist's Handbook this evening.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 My goodness -- that is as old as I am. I was "published" =
the
> same year. :-)
>
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 I hope we can
> > find somebody to teach us the proper care and feeding of the lathe
> > before January. =A0That's when the next junior college manual lathe
> > operator's course meets.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 There is a set of training manuals for the machine in a y=
ellow
> three-ring binder labeled "Basis" IIRC. =A0It is oriented towards the
> early instruction set, but the later instructions are covered in an
> appendix.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Best of luck,
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 DoN.
>
> --
564
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 (too) near Washington D.C. |http://www.d-and-d.com/dnicho=
ls/DoN.html
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero =
---

Don,

Thanks for those very on-point clarifications. I hadn't thought about
posting pictures to the drop box. That's a great idea. We will try
to take some pictures tonight.

Regards,
Vernon

Posted by RB on October 6, 2008, 11:41 am
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Vernon wrote:
I hope we can
>>> find somebody to teach us the proper care and feeding of the lathe
>>> before January. That's when the next junior college manual lathe
>>> operator's course meets.

Vernon, I have most of the documentation for that lathe in PDF format.
Email me offline and I'll send you all I have.

burkheimer@gmail.com.

Posted by RB on September 29, 2008, 4:58 pm
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Vernon wrote:

> By way of follow-up to everybody. I was the successful bidder for the
> Emco Compact 5 lathe / mill. However, bidding was stiff and I was the
> only guy too dumb and hard headed to give up. I don't even know if
> it's complete with all the standard essential accessories.

This ebay seller has the most complete listing of accessories for the
Emco 5s. He is in England but he ships here for reasonable rates.

http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/barnackuk_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ

Posted by Vernon on September 29, 2008, 5:47 pm
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> Vernon wrote:
> > By way of follow-up to everybody. =A0I was the successful bidder for th=
e
> > Emco Compact 5 lathe / mill. =A0However, bidding was stiff and I was th=
e
> > only guy too dumb and hard headed to give up. =A0I don't even know if
> > it's complete with all the standard essential accessories.
>
> This ebay seller has the most complete listing of accessories for the
> Emco 5s. =A0He is in England but he ships here for reasonable rates.
>
> http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/barnackuk_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ ...

Thanks. Since hope springs ever eternal I continue to daydream that I
will pick up the lathe in my arms and need a forklift to load the
accessories. As soon as reality sticks its ugly beak into my fantasy
I will definitely be searching for accessories.

Vernon

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