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Forming wire mesh cloth - how to compress a cylindrical shape? Royston Vasey 02-08-2010
Posted by whit3rd on February 8, 2010, 6:05 pm
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> I'm forming some wire mesh cloth - that part is going ok.
>
> The finished part needs to be compressed to fit into a pvc part - working=
it
> in by hand results in scratching and marking of the pvc. I'm looking for
> some ideas on how to compress the mesh part

One approach is to fix the wide end by electroplating, so it doesn't
expand when removed from the mandrel. Keeping a mesh in shape
this way is a standard tactic (among makers of electron lenses for
scanning electron microscopes, anyhow).


Posted by dan on February 8, 2010, 8:46 pm
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What's that Lassie? You say that Royston Vasey fell down the old
rec.crafts.metalworking mine and will die if we don't mount a rescue
by Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:07:21 +0800:

>
>I'm forming some wire mesh cloth - that part is going ok.
>
>The finished part needs to be compressed to fit into a pvc part - working it
>in by hand results in scratching and marking of the pvc. I'm looking for
>some ideas on how to compress the mesh part so it slips cleanly into the pvc
>part. There's a few pics in the dropbox:
>
>http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/wire_screen.pdf
>
>
>
If the PVC piece is bored through, I would try using a piece of cloth.
Push the piece of cloth part way through, then put the screen part in
place. Pull the cloth from the other end, and it should drag the
screen with it. When in place, hold back on the screen part, and
continue pulling the cloth out. A hole in the cloth would allow a bar
to push against the inside end of the screen part, holding it in
place.

--

Dan H.
northshore MA.

Posted by Larry Jaques on February 8, 2010, 9:42 pm
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On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:07:21 +0800, the infamous "Royston Vasey"

>
>I'm forming some wire mesh cloth - that part is going ok.
>
>The finished part needs to be compressed to fit into a pvc part - working it
>in by hand results in scratching and marking of the pvc. I'm looking for
>some ideas on how to compress the mesh part so it slips cleanly into the pvc
>part. There's a few pics in the dropbox:
>
>http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/wire_screen.pdf

Think "tampons", Royston. <vbg> How about a teflon sleeve with an OD
the size of the ID of the PVC to help guide the screen in?

Or a pair of spring steel guides on sticks, curved tongs if you will.

Questions: Do you later "inflate" the cup back to full inside
diameter? What do you use to secure it to the PVC? And, last but not
least, whatever are these used for?

Another thought: If you were to compress the cup closer to final
diameter, it might be easier to work with. It appears to have lots of
gaps between the folds and OD.

--
We don't receive wisdom; we must discover it for ourselves
after a journey that no one can take for us or spare us.
-- Marcel Proust

Posted by Royston Vasey on February 8, 2010, 10:45 pm
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> On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:07:21 +0800, the infamous "Royston Vasey"
>
>>
>>I'm forming some wire mesh cloth - that part is going ok.
>>
>>The finished part needs to be compressed to fit into a pvc part - working
>>it
>>in by hand results in scratching and marking of the pvc. I'm looking for
>>some ideas on how to compress the mesh part so it slips cleanly into the
>>pvc
>>part. There's a few pics in the dropbox:
>>
>>http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/wire_screen.pdf
>
> Think "tampons", Royston. <vbg> How about a teflon sleeve with an OD
> the size of the ID of the PVC to help guide the screen in?
>
> Or a pair of spr

ing steel guides on sticks, curved tongs if you will.
>
> Questions: Do you later "inflate" the cup back to full inside
> diameter? What do you use to secure it to the PVC? And, last but not
> least, whatever are these used for?
>
> Another thought: If you were to compress the cup closer to final
> diameter, it might be easier to work with. It appears to have lots of
> gaps between the folds and OD.
>
> --
> We don't receive wisdom; we must discover it for ourselves
> after a journey that no one can take for us or spare us.
> -- Marcel Proust


Everytime I think tampons I'm reminded of UK's Prince Charles bugged phone
call where he told I think it was Camilla Gorilla his bit on the side at the
time that he "wished he was her tampon" - a nasty thought! :|


The tongs is a good idea - I just made something similar using some
crimpers:


http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/wire_screen_tool.pdf



Once in place the screen springs back quite a bit, I still need some
urethane - maybe sika 191, 293 ?? The black marine stuff anyway, that works
really well on most things. The screen is a shield over a humidity sensor -
to stop fingers and look nice more than anything else. I don't think there
is a way to eliminate the folds and extra mesh / cloth. The cloth doesn't
want to stretch enough so a degree of folding results.

cheers.











Posted by Larry Jaques on February 9, 2010, 7:23 am
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On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 11:45:46 +0800, the infamous "Royston Vasey"

>
>> On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:07:21 +0800, the infamous "Royston Vasey"
>>
>>>
>>>I'm forming some wire mesh cloth - that part is going ok.
>>>
>>>The finished part needs to be compressed to fit into a pvc part - working
>>>it
>>>in by hand results in scratching and marking of the pvc. I'm looking for
>>>some ideas on how to compress the mesh part so it slips cleanly into the
>>>pvc
>>>part. There's a few pics in the dropbox:
>>>
>>>http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/wire_screen.pdf
>>
>> Think "tampons", Royston. <vbg> How about a teflon sleeve with an OD
>> the size of the ID of the PVC to help guide the screen in?
>>
>> Or a pair of spr
>
>ing steel guides on sticks, curved tongs if you will.
>>
>> Questions: Do you later "inflate" the cup back to full inside
>> diameter? What do you use to secure it to the PVC? And, last but not
>> least, whatever are these used for?
>>
>> Another thought: If you were to compress the cup closer to final
>> diameter, it might be easier to work with. It appears to have lots of
>> gaps between the folds and OD.
>
>Everytime I think tampons I'm reminded of UK's Prince Charles bugged phone
>call where he told I think it was Camilla Gorilla his bit on the side at the
>time that he "wished he was her tampon" - a nasty thought! :|

Heh heh heh.


>The tongs is a good idea - I just made something similar using some
>crimpers:
>
>
>http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/wire_screen_tool.pdf

Ah, good!


>Once in place the screen springs back quite a bit, I still need some
>urethane - maybe sika 191, 293 ?? The black marine stuff anyway, that works
>really well on most things. The screen is a shield over a humidity sensor -
>to stop fingers and look nice more than anything else. I don't think there
>is a way to eliminate the folds and extra mesh / cloth. The cloth doesn't
>want to stretch enough so a degree of folding results.

Have you tried a press in the shape of those tongs? Place screen cup
over mandrel and compress vigorously with tons of force to 'set' the
folds tighter.

Alternatively, have you thought of just using a disc of screen and a
slightly longer piece of PVC, dadoing in the flat screen piece? You
could even use a heftier screen gauge to keep fingers from damaging
it.

--
We don't receive wisdom; we must discover it for ourselves
after a journey that no one can take for us or spare us.
-- Marcel Proust

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