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Garage door help! (Off topic but begging for help!) stryped 04-29-2008
Posted by stryped on April 29, 2008, 8:29 am
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I received a single 7x9 clopay garage door from someone replacing
their door. It has all the hardware and even the installation
instructions. I have been for a week trying to =93retrofit=94 it to my
12x16 shed.

I have the track installed and can manually move it up or down but
have tried and tried and cant get the torsion spring to work in
helping with raising and lowering the door. I have done it countless
times all that ends up happening is the wire on the pulleys on both
ends end up =93birdnesting=94 and going everywhere. Yesterday it actually
helped bull it up before it finally birdnested.

What can I do? Would having one pulley slightly higher than the other
cause this problem? I have had to do the best job I could with the
limited room I have.

Another thing I noticed is when I manually raise the door, the bottom
roller seems to be in a different place on the track on one side
verses the other. I measured the tracks on both sides though and they
seem to be the same height.

One last thing when I put it all the way up the end of the door just
barely touched a support on my shed roof. Just enough where the door
wants to come down rather than stay in the upright position. Is there
something I can add or do to keep the door up?

Anyway I appreciate any help as this is driving me nuts and my wife is
tired of me spending all my time on this!

Posted by RoyJ on April 29, 2008, 10:29 am
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You either don't have things installed square or enough tension on the
cables. When the door is fully up, there still should be some residual
tension. That is what keeps it in the upright position. For install, the
door is set in place on it's track, then you start cranking the torsion
spring(s)

Big warning here: Torsion springs are nasty to tighten or loosen. You
need to have the correct size of bars (various mfgs use different
sizes), the bars need to be good cold rolled (the hot rolled may bend at
the wrong time), and you need to know what you are doing. Failure to
heed these leads to a spinning bar and no teeth left in your jaw.

It also sounds like you may have mixed up the support brackets on the
track. The track is at a very slight angle to the door frame so that it
does not rub all the way down. The hinges match, each hinge up has a
slightly longer throw than the one below it. The door runs freely until
the last few inches, then moves out to contact the door stops.

And you did figure out that the door is installed in the frame with all
the functional checkout, THEN you add the door stops to seal the opening?

If the door hits a joist anywhere, you don't have enough clearance. If
it is at the back, you can drop the track an inch or two without
problems. If it is right near the door opening, you have a problem.
There are low clearance kits that have two extra tracks or use a
'flipper' mechanism. Both work, both are fairly expensive to buy as an
option.

stryped wrote:
> I received a single 7x9 clopay garage door from someone replacing
> their door. It has all the hardware and even the installation
> instructions. I have been for a week trying to “retrofit” it to my
> 12x16 shed.
>
> I have the track installed and can manually move it up or down but
> have tried and tried and cant get the torsion spring to work in
> helping with raising and lowering the door. I have done it countless
> times all that ends up happening is the wire on the pulleys on both
> ends end up “birdnesting” and going everywhere. Yesterday it actually
> helped bull it up before it finally birdnested.
>
> What can I do? Would having one pulley slightly higher than the other
> cause this problem? I have had to do the best job I could with the
> limited room I have.
>
> Another thing I noticed is when I manually raise the door, the bottom
> roller seems to be in a different place on the track on one side
> verses the other. I measured the tracks on both sides though and they
> seem to be the same height.
>
> One last thing when I put it all the way up the end of the door just
> barely touched a support on my shed roof. Just enough where the door
> wants to come down rather than stay in the upright position. Is there
> something I can add or do to keep the door up?
>
> Anyway I appreciate any help as this is driving me nuts and my wife is
> tired of me spending all my time on this!

Posted by stryped on April 29, 2008, 10:41 am
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> You either don't have things installed square or enough tension on the
> cables. When the door is fully up, there still should be some residual
> tension. That is what keeps it in the upright position. For install, the
> door is set in place on it's track, then you start cranking the torsion
> spring(s)
>
> Big warning here: Torsion springs are nasty to tighten or loosen. You
> need to have the correct size of bars (various mfgs use different
> sizes), the bars need to be good cold rolled (the hot rolled may bend at
> the wrong time), and you need to know what you are doing. Failure to
> heed these leads to a spinning bar and no teeth left in your jaw.
>
> It also sounds like you may have mixed up the support brackets on the
> track. The track is at a very slight angle to the door frame so that it
> does not rub all the way down. The hinges match, each hinge up has a
> slightly longer throw than the one below it. The door runs freely until
> the last few inches, then moves out to contact the door stops.
>
> And you did figure out that the door is installed in the frame with all
> the functional checkout, THEN you add the door stops to seal the opening?


Forgive my ignorance, but what are you calling "door stops"?

This building is a metal framed building by the way. I am doing the
best I can. I may not have wound the spring tightly enough. I also
know that one pulley is about an inch lower than the other. And for
osme reason the door looks a little cockeyed at the fully up position
but when I measure it it is ok.

Posted by RoyJ on April 29, 2008, 1:01 pm
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Door stops: On a wood framed door, you start with the raw 2x4 (or
whatever) frame, then nail up some 1x6 stock as the finished surface
(casing) between the inner edge of the building and the outer sheathing.
Apply siding, brick molding and any other finishing material you want.
The garage door is installed inside the building but the framing is
never quite right so there are gaps between the door and the casing,
1/4" to 1/2" gaps are quite normal. As the very last thing, the 1/2" x2"
door stops are nailed in place with the door down. These are thin enough
to take up any imperfections and make it weather tight. A metal shelled
building will need the same strips in metal, check with your dealer.

Metal framed buildings: We have metal framed buildings (prefabbed metal
support beams with metal siding) and pole barns (wood posts with metal
siding). Same difference, they tend to be not very square. If the door
looks cockeyed, it is likely that something is not square. Take some
diagonal measurements to see what's going on.

The garage door is installed completely inside the building inner wall.
It works best if all is square and flat, the door tracks can accommodate
some not so flat conditions, tends to bind a bit but it works. It also
works if the opening is not square, you just use the door stops to fit
it up tight. Looks funny but it works.


stryped wrote:
>> You either don't have things installed square or enough tension on the
>> cables. When the door is fully up, there still should be some residual
>> tension. That is what keeps it in the upright position. For install, the
>> door is set in place on it's track, then you start cranking the torsion
>> spring(s)
>>
>> Big warning here: Torsion springs are nasty to tighten or loosen. You
>> need to have the correct size of bars (various mfgs use different
>> sizes), the bars need to be good cold rolled (the hot rolled may bend at
>> the wrong time), and you need to know what you are doing. Failure to
>> heed these leads to a spinning bar and no teeth left in your jaw.
>>
>> It also sounds like you may have mixed up the support brackets on the
>> track. The track is at a very slight angle to the door frame so that it
>> does not rub all the way down. The hinges match, each hinge up has a
>> slightly longer throw than the one below it. The door runs freely until
>> the last few inches, then moves out to contact the door stops.
>>
>> And you did figure out that the door is installed in the frame with all
>> the functional checkout, THEN you add the door stops to seal the opening?
>
>
> Forgive my ignorance, but what are you calling "door stops"?
>
> This building is a metal framed building by the way. I am doing the
> best I can. I may not have wound the spring tightly enough. I also
> know that one pulley is about an inch lower than the other. And for
> osme reason the door looks a little cockeyed at the fully up position
> but when I measure it it is ok.

Posted by stryped on April 29, 2008, 1:29 pm
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> Door stops: On a wood framed door, you start with the raw 2x4 (or
> whatever) frame, then nail up some 1x6 stock as the finished surface
> (casing) between the inner edge of the building and the outer sheathing.
> Apply siding, brick molding and any other finishing material you want.
> The garage door is installed inside the building but the framing is
> never quite right so there are gaps between the door and the casing,
> 1/4" to 1/2" gaps are quite normal. As the very last thing, the 1/2" x2"
> door stops are nailed in place with the door down. These are thin enough
> to take up any imperfections and make it weather tight. A metal shelled
> building will need the same strips in metal, check with your dealer.
>
> Metal framed buildings: We have metal framed buildings (prefabbed metal
> =A0 support beams with metal siding) and pole barns (wood posts with metal=

> siding). Same difference, they tend to be not very square. If the door
> looks cockeyed, it is likely that something is not square. Take some
> diagonal measurements to see what's going on.
>
> The garage door is installed completely inside the building inner wall.
> It works best if all is square and flat, the door tracks can accommodate
> some not so flat conditions, tends to bind a bit but it works. It also
> works if the opening is not square, you just use the door stops to fit
> it up tight. Looks funny but it works.
>
>
>
> stryped wrote:
> >> You either don't have things installed square or enough tension on the
> >> cables. When the door is fully up, there still should be some residual
> >> tension. That is what keeps it in the upright position. For install, th=
e
> >> door is set in place on it's track, then you start cranking the torsion=

> >> spring(s)
>
> >> Big warning here: Torsion springs are nasty to tighten or loosen. You
> >> need to have the correct size of bars (various mfgs use different
> >> sizes), the bars need to be good cold rolled (the hot rolled may bend a=
t
> >> the wrong time), and you need to know what you are doing. Failure to
> >> heed these leads to a spinning bar and no teeth left in your jaw.
>
> >> It also sounds like you may have mixed up the support brackets on the
> >> track. The track is at a very slight angle to the door frame so that it=

> >> does not rub all the way down. The hinges match, each hinge up has a
> >> slightly longer throw than the one below it. The door runs freely until=

> >> the last few inches, then moves out to contact the door stops.
>
> >> And you did figure out that the door is installed in the frame with all=

> >> the functional checkout, THEN you add the door stops to seal the openin=
g?
>
> > Forgive my ignorance, but what are you calling "door stops"?
>
> > This building is a metal framed building by the way. I am doing the
> > best I can. I may not have wound the spring tightly enough. I also
> > know that one pulley is about an inch lower than the other. And for
> > osme reason the door looks a little cockeyed at the fully up position
> > but when I measure it it is ok.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

So the "door stops? are the weatherstriping I bought with the edges
that cover the gaps? I hav enot installed those, I was going to do
that last.

I think someone was on to something when they said some of the
hardware may not be right. The "latches" that attach each section to
the next, I noticed the manual called number 1 hinge number 2 hinge
etc. But to me the picture looked no different in terms of number 2 vs
number 3.

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