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Posted by Michael A. Terrell on March 23, 2008, 4:09 pm
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> The no land line option is becoming very viable not that some cell
> carriers are offering flat rate US plans, i.e. no minutes, no long
> distance and no extra charges to and US number, land, cell or other.
>
> As for the backup power for a fiber home terminal unit, any internal
> battery it may have should only be a secondary backup. You need to have
> your own "real" UPS covering that unit as well as your computer(s),
> routers, aquarium, etc. all backed by a generator with an adequate fuel
> supply.
My dad and step mom had a propane powered backup system installed
last year. They spent $20,000 by the time the work was done, and the
tank was filled. SO, my lights go out, and I hear their generator
running, while I'm busy shutting things down to conserve the UPS
batteries.
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Posted by Pete C. on March 23, 2008, 4:58 pm
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
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> "Pete C." wrote:
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> > The no land line option is becoming very viable not that some cell
> > carriers are offering flat rate US plans, i.e. no minutes, no long
> > distance and no extra charges to and US number, land, cell or other.
> >
> > As for the backup power for a fiber home terminal unit, any internal
> > battery it may have should only be a secondary backup. You need to have
> > your own "real" UPS covering that unit as well as your computer(s),
> > routers, aquarium, etc. all backed by a generator with an adequate fuel
> > supply.
>
> My dad and step mom had a propane powered backup system installed
> last year. They spent $20,000 by the time the work was done, and the
> tank was filled. SO, my lights go out, and I hear their generator
> running, while I'm busy shutting things down to conserve the UPS
> batteries.
Not knowing the details I can't comment on why it cost $20k, but it can
certainly be done in most cases for a lot less, like around $5 max. That
won't get you a unit big enough to run every single thing in the house
typically, but if you select your emergency circuits well it will be
close enough for any normal outage.
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Posted by Michael A. Terrell on March 23, 2008, 5:42 pm
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"Pete C." wrote:
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> "Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
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> > "Pete C." wrote:
> > >
> > > The no land line option is becoming very viable not that some cell
> > > carriers are offering flat rate US plans, i.e. no minutes, no long
> > > distance and no extra charges to and US number, land, cell or other.
> > >
> > > As for the backup power for a fiber home terminal unit, any internal
> > > battery it may have should only be a secondary backup. You need to have
> > > your own "real" UPS covering that unit as well as your computer(s),
> > > routers, aquarium, etc. all backed by a generator with an adequate fuel
> > > supply.
> >
> > My dad and step mom had a propane powered backup system installed
> > last year. They spent $20,000 by the time the work was done, and the
> > tank was filled. SO, my lights go out, and I hear their generator
> > running, while I'm busy shutting things down to conserve the UPS
> > batteries.
>
> Not knowing the details I can't comment on why it cost $20k, but it can
> certainly be done in most cases for a lot less, like around $5 max. That
> won't get you a unit big enough to run every single thing in the house
> typically, but if you select your emergency circuits well it will be
> close enough for any normal outage.
That was whole house. They are in their late '70s, and both have
health problems so they need the central air or heat. They had a
smaller setup but it was too much work to keep it up and running, like
going outside during a hurricane to refill the gas tank.
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Posted by Brent on March 20, 2008, 8:24 pm
Please log in for more thread options > I guess my question is mostly about oxygen bottles. IIRC, propane,
> acetylene and CO2 are all liquid inside the bottle and have to be mounted
> vertically. OR, could they be mounted at a 45, particularly an acetylene?
>
> My trailer has an O2 and an acetylene mounted vertically. They both were
> mounted with plate that is about 3/4" thick, and came from some salvaged
> use. They look like crap, and were gorilla welded on. But I don't like
> their high profile. The O2 is a full sized tall tank, and the acetylene is
> stubby, about waist high, but not the fat round one. If I stay with
> propane, I'll use the shorter tanks anyway, or go with a stubby fat one that
> won't stand that high anyway. But the O2 just sticks up there way high, and
> I don't like the leverage it has that way in sudden maneuver driving
> situations.
>
> I believe that I could mount the O2 horizontally, and it wouldn't matter.
> Is that correct? I don't use a CO2 on the rig, but down the line, who
> knows. I do have an acetylene bottle there, but may go to propane. Would
> the acetylene be okay mounted at a 45?
>
> Steve
over here the rules with regards to the transport of cylinders and
such go with a simple set of rules
the rules themselves may not actually impact how that specific
cylinder works. But the transport of dangeous products laws usually
err on the side of a minimum safe standard. Wher ei'm from that means
ANY cylinder for ANY purpose is supposed to be transported OUTSIDE of
the passenger compartment and upright. Whether or not it matters its
simple and easy to enforce whether breaking the rule is actually
"unsafe" or not the rules being followed to the letter are safer and
IF a big issue happens the firemen know HOW to respond to what they
are facing. and also there is supposed ot be a sign denoting the UN
hazardous materials number of what is being transported
In this province there was once a train derailment and fire with a
pile of train cars carrying unmarked fuel gases. the spectacular
explosions and the impossibilty of firefighters to fight it and the
massive evacuations that caused changed the laws here to be extra
draconian.
I dont blame them, My recommendation is to follow the recommendations
of the local laws on cylinder transport not because its practical not
because its pretty but for the simple reason of "BECAUSE THEY SAID SO"
Brent
Ottawa Canada
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Posted by Gerald Miller on March 20, 2008, 10:31 pm
Please log in for more thread options On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:24:06 -0700 (PDT), Brent
>> I guess my question is mostly about oxygen bottles. IIRC, propane,
>> acetylene and CO2 are all liquid inside the bottle and have to be mounted
>> vertically. OR, could they be mounted at a 45, particularly an acetylene?
>>
>> My trailer has an O2 and an acetylene mounted vertically. They both were
>> mounted with plate that is about 3/4" thick, and came from some salvaged
>> use. They look like crap, and were gorilla welded on. But I don't like
>> their high profile. The O2 is a full sized tall tank, and the acetylene is
>> stubby, about waist high, but not the fat round one. If I stay with
>> propane, I'll use the shorter tanks anyway, or go with a stubby fat one that
>> won't stand that high anyway. But the O2 just sticks up there way high, and
>> I don't like the leverage it has that way in sudden maneuver driving
>> situations.
>>
>> I believe that I could mount the O2 horizontally, and it wouldn't matter.
>> Is that correct? I don't use a CO2 on the rig, but down the line, who
>> knows. I do have an acetylene bottle there, but may go to propane. Would
>> the acetylene be okay mounted at a 45?
>>
>> Steve
>
>over here the rules with regards to the transport of cylinders and
>such go with a simple set of rules
>
>the rules themselves may not actually impact how that specific
>cylinder works. But the transport of dangeous products laws usually
>err on the side of a minimum safe standard. Wher ei'm from that means
>ANY cylinder for ANY purpose is supposed to be transported OUTSIDE of
>the passenger compartment and upright. Whether or not it matters its
>simple and easy to enforce whether breaking the rule is actually
>"unsafe" or not the rules being followed to the letter are safer and
>IF a big issue happens the firemen know HOW to respond to what they
>are facing. and also there is supposed ot be a sign denoting the UN
>hazardous materials number of what is being transported
>
>In this province there was once a train derailment and fire with a
>pile of train cars carrying unmarked fuel gases. the spectacular
>explosions and the impossibilty of firefighters to fight it and the
>massive evacuations that caused changed the laws here to be extra
>draconian.
>
>I dont blame them, My recommendation is to follow the recommendations
>of the local laws on cylinder transport not because its practical not
>because its pretty but for the simple reason of "BECAUSE THEY SAID SO"
>
>Brent
>Ottawa Canada
All I know about, and only from personal experience is 20 pound
propane "BBQ" cylinders. I carry mine between the passenger seat and
the glove box, cushioned with a large "car wash" sponge to avoid
marking the glove box. The fill Tech. has even put it there. I have
seen him tell others "not in your trunk" and "hold it upright".
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada
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> The no land line option is becoming very viable not that some cell
> carriers are offering flat rate US plans, i.e. no minutes, no long
> distance and no extra charges to and US number, land, cell or other.
>
> As for the backup power for a fiber home terminal unit, any internal
> battery it may have should only be a secondary backup. You need to have
> your own "real" UPS covering that unit as well as your computer(s),
> routers, aquarium, etc. all backed by a generator with an adequate fuel
> supply.