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Hardinge HLV-H vs. Monarch 10EE Ignoramus19239 08-18-2008
Posted by Ignoramus19239 on August 18, 2008, 10:20 pm
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Not at all an idle question. Actually highly relevant.

Which one is better? Karl, any idea? Gunner? Anyone else can compare
them? Assume both lathes are in same condition.

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Posted by Gunner Asch on August 19, 2008, 4:20 am
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:20:02 -0500, Ignoramus19239

>Not at all an idle question. Actually highly relevant.
>
>Which one is better? Karl, any idea? Gunner? Anyone else can compare
>them? Assume both lathes are in same condition.

Ive used both. I own a HLV-H.

The 10EE may use one of the odd tube drives that have confused even
the best EEs

The Hardinge uses a vari drive

Probably the 10EE is the better lathe by a slim margin, due to more
powerful motors and being a heavier machine. On the other hand, you
can call Hardinge and buy parts right off the shelf. Just use your
first born as collaterl

Monarch parts require your first born and your left testicle.

Ive no desire for a 10EE as the HLV-H does everything I want it to
do..with the exception of being able to thread anything larger than an
11 TPI thread. The Monarch will do that and more course ones IRRC.

My opinion is worth every kopeck you paid for it.


Gunner

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Posted by Karl Townsend on August 19, 2008, 6:38 am
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...
>>Which one is better? Karl, any idea? Gunner? Anyone else can compare
>>them? Assume both lathes are in same condition.
>
> Ive used both. I own a HLV-H.
>
> The 10EE may use one of the odd tube drives that have confused even
> the best EEs
>
> The Hardinge uses a vari drive
>
> Probably the 10EE is the better lathe by a slim margin, due to more
> powerful motors and being a heavier machine. On the other hand, you
> can call Hardinge and buy parts right off the shelf. Just use your
> first born as collaterl
>
> Monarch parts require your first born and your left testicle.

What Gunner said...

If you're looking at an older 10EE, consider the drive to be trash. Replace
it with a VFD and three phase motor and you'll have a wonderful machine.

10EEs, used, bring a way lower price than the hardinge. Folks afraid of the
drive I believe. If you're not afraid of the drive swap, the 10EE is a far
better value for an HSM type.

When I bought my 10EE, I replaced minor items like way wipers, little
bearings in the cariage, a handle, and a couple other minor things. I almost
bought the lathe again!!

WARNING: If you use either machine, you'll not be able to go back.

Karl




Posted by Ignoramus31289 on August 19, 2008, 8:24 am
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> ...
>>>Which one is better? Karl, any idea? Gunner? Anyone else can compare
>>>them? Assume both lathes are in same condition.
>>
>> Ive used both. I own a HLV-H.
>>
>> The 10EE may use one of the odd tube drives that have confused even
>> the best EEs
>>
>> The Hardinge uses a vari drive
>>
>> Probably the 10EE is the better lathe by a slim margin, due to more
>> powerful motors and being a heavier machine. On the other hand, you
>> can call Hardinge and buy parts right off the shelf. Just use your
>> first born as collaterl
>>
>> Monarch parts require your first born and your left testicle.
>
> What Gunner said...
>
> If you're looking at an older 10EE, consider the drive to be trash. Replace
> it with a VFD and three phase motor and you'll have a wonderful machine.
>
> 10EEs, used, bring a way lower price than the hardinge. Folks afraid of the
> drive I believe. If you're not afraid of the drive swap, the 10EE is a far
> better value for an HSM type.

I am not afraid of drive swap, e.g put in a 5 HP motor with a drive,
is not a problem if a standard motor would fit. I believe that I have
a 184T inverter duty 5 HP motor that I could use.

> When I bought my 10EE, I replaced minor items like way wipers, little
> bearings in the cariage, a handle, and a couple other minor things. I almost
> bought the lathe again!!
>
> WARNING: If you use either machine, you'll not be able to go back.

The lathe in question is a 10EE with a 30 inch distance between
centers (elongated bed). Would you say thatt $1,100 would be a sane
amount to bid (liquidation auction). I am a little afraid of the
weight.

I am looking to replace my clausing with something more
accurate. There are spome HLV-H and a 10EE coming up for sale. Hence
the question.

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Posted by jw on August 19, 2008, 9:15 am
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On Aug 19, 7:24=A0am, Ignoramus31289 <ignoramus31...@NOSPAM.
31289.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> > ...
> >>>Which one is better? Karl, any idea? Gunner? Anyone else can compare
> >>>them? Assume both lathes are in same condition.
>
> >> Ive used both. =A0I own a HLV-H.
>
> >> The 10EE may use one of the odd tube drives that have confused even
> >> the best EEs
>
> >> The Hardinge uses a vari drive
>
> >> Probably the 10EE is the better lathe by a slim margin, due to more
> >> powerful motors and being a heavier machine. On the other hand, you
> >> can call Hardinge and buy parts right off the shelf. Just use your
> >> first born as collaterl
>
> >> Monarch parts require your first born and your left testicle.
>
> > What Gunner said...
>
> > If you're looking at an older 10EE, consider the drive to be trash. Rep=
lace
> > it with a VFD and three phase motor and you'll have a wonderful machine=
.
>
> > 10EEs, used, bring a way lower price than the hardinge. Folks afraid of=
the
> > drive I believe. If you're not afraid of the drive swap, the 10EE is a =
far
> > better value for an HSM type.
>
> I am not afraid of drive swap, e.g put in a 5 HP motor with a drive,
> is not a problem if a standard motor would fit. I believe that I have
> a 184T inverter duty 5 HP motor that I could use.
>
> > When I bought my 10EE, I replaced minor items like way wipers, little
> > bearings in the cariage, a handle, and a couple other minor things. I a=
lmost
> > bought the lathe again!!
>
> > WARNING: If you use either machine, you'll not be able to go back.
>
> The lathe in question is a 10EE with a 30 inch distance between
> centers (elongated bed). Would you say thatt $1,100 would be a sane
> amount to bid (liquidation auction). I am a little afraid of the
> weight.
>
> I am looking to replace my clausing with something more
> accurate. There are spome HLV-H and a 10EE coming up for sale. Hence
> the question.
>
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> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0more readers you will need to find a different means o=
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> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0posting on Usenet.
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Any tooling, or a bare machine? If it comes with any tooling at all,
that is a decent price(bid). The extended bed is a unique (not really
rare) option, that might be nice.

I went from a SB9 to a 10EE, and wow what a difference!!! Certain odd
repair jobs I used to just hate having to try to tackle are no big
deal any more. Interrupted cuts being one. The quality of my surface
finish is markedly better. There is a lot of cast iron in the 10EE
and it's there for a reason. It is a pain to move, but once you park
it, it's staying put. You won't regret it.

I can't speak for a Hardinge HLV-H, as I have never touched one, but
the 10EE is a hell of a nice machine.

JW

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