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Lapping nylon cnctutwiler 05-06-2006
Posted by on May 6, 2006, 4:09 pm
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Folks,

I'm attempting to fit a 1.5 inch nylon cylinder into a 1 inch diameter
metal sleeve. The nylon will act as a piston for my spring piston
pellet gun. I've heard for years that auto engine pistons are lap
fitted for each cylinder and would like to give it a try. Could someone
give me the basic idea of how this might be done for nylon?

Thanks

Tut


Posted by Polymer Man on May 6, 2006, 5:11 pm
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A principal of lapping is the softer material (the lap) will pick up
the abrasive and lap the other part. Nylon will pick up the lapping
abrasive, and in turn wear the bore in your air gun.

Things are lapped to get a very precise fit and a fine finish. Due to
the extreme difference in coefficient of thermal expansion between
nylon and your metal bore and the fact that nylon changes dimension
with exposure to water (kinda like wood), you would not want an
extremely close fit between your nylon piston and metal sleeve or you
risk binding. You will need some clearance, probably around .005" plus
or minus .001". It does not take lapping to get that kind of fit. A
fine lapped finish would probably not be highly beneficial to the
function. And I don't think nylon will lap well. My opinion is your
best bet is to just turn your piston on a lathe.

If you want a high performance plastic that does not absorb water, has
good lubricity and high wear resistance and a low coefficient of
thermal expansion and friction, look at polyimide (Nylon is polyamide
and is very different) such as Dupont Vespel.

Though some plastics polish well (Delrin for example) if you want an
actualy lapped part, you should probably use metal.


Posted by on May 6, 2006, 8:42 pm
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Polymer Man wrote:
> A principal of lapping is the softer material (the lap) will pick up
> the abrasive and lap the other part. Nylon will pick up the lapping
> abrasive, and in turn wear the bore in your air gun.
>
> Things are lapped to get a very precise fit and a fine finish. Due to
> the extreme difference in coefficient of thermal expansion between
> nylon and your metal bore and the fact that nylon changes dimension
> with exposure to water (kinda like wood), you would not want an
> extremely close fit between your nylon piston and metal sleeve or you
> risk binding. You will need some clearance, probably around .005" plus
> or minus .001". It does not take lapping to get that kind of fit. A
> fine lapped finish would probably not be highly beneficial to the
> function. And I don't think nylon will lap well. My opinion is your
> best bet is to just turn your piston on a lathe.
>
> If you want a high performance plastic that does not absorb water, has
> good lubricity and high wear resistance and a low coefficient of
> thermal expansion and friction, look at polyimide (Nylon is polyamide
> and is very different) such as Dupont Vespel.
>
> Though some plastics polish well (Delrin for example) if you want an
> actualy lapped part, you should probably use metal.

Polymer Man--Thanks!

Calculations indicate that I'm looking at 2000-2500psi and thought
lapping might result in less gas leakage. I'll give Vespel a look see.

Tut


Posted by =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nick_M=FCller?= on May 6, 2006, 5:27 pm
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> I'm attempting to fit a 1.5 inch nylon cylinder into a 1 inch diameter
> metal sleeve. [snipp] I've heard for years that auto engine pistons are lap
> fitted for each cylinder and would like to give it a try.

Auto engine pistons lapped? No!
And getting the 0.5" off with lapping is also not the right way. :-))

I'd take some PA with MoS2 in it (the black one) and simply turn it on a
lathe. Just make it a nice gliding fit. I have done that with pistons
(diam 12mm) for a compressed air engine to my satisfaction.


Nick
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Posted by on May 6, 2006, 8:46 pm
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Nick

Thanks for your comments--I'm not sure what PA is but assume its
polishing compound. I have four different grades--from rouge to black.

Tut


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