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Lincoln SA200 Welder BFR 03-23-2006
Posted by BFR on March 23, 2006, 8:12 pm
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I have a 1937 model Lincoln SA200 welder that never had a starter. I
have heard old welders say that they used start those on the pipeline
by getting one started and then using it to start the others by
connecting the welding leads from the running machine to the leads on
the machine they wanted to start whereupon the generator would be
motorized and the engine would start. Is this possible and could I
connect several (say 3) 12 volt batteries in series to the welding
leads and start my welder that way?


Posted by Thomas Kendrick on March 23, 2006, 11:31 pm
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I'm gonna vote NO. A stick welder has the electrical circuitry built
into it to tolerate a dead short. That's what happens when the stick
electrode gets stuck to the work piece with the ground clamp attached
as well. Same thing when one is used to thaw a frozen pipe. The
voltage droops and the metal involved gets warmer to very hot in the
case of the small electrode. The resistance is fairly low.

In the case of shorting out 3 batteries in series, my expectation is
that at least one would explode and perhaps all three. Let's say 700
amps at 36 volts. These are liquid-filled electrolyte batteries. I
predict steam generation between the battery plates. Better put a VERY
sturdy acid-resistant shield over those batteries and have plenty of
water and soda to neutralize the acid spill that I believe is
imminent.

Is there a ring gear anywhere on that motor?


>I have a 1937 model Lincoln SA200 welder that never had a starter. I
>have heard old welders say that they used start those on the pipeline
>by getting one started and then using it to start the others by
>connecting the welding leads from the running machine to the leads on
>the machine they wanted to start whereupon the generator would be
>motorized and the engine would start. Is this possible and could I
>connect several (say 3) 12 volt batteries in series to the welding
>leads and start my welder that way?

Posted by Ignoramus5923 on March 23, 2006, 11:44 pm
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> I'm gonna vote NO. A stick welder has the electrical circuitry built
> into it to tolerate a dead short. That's what happens when the stick
> electrode gets stuck to the work piece with the ground clamp attached
> as well. Same thing when one is used to thaw a frozen pipe. The
> voltage droops and the metal involved gets warmer to very hot in the
> case of the small electrode. The resistance is fairly low.

I think that the OP was referring to starting the welder with
batteries, not to running it with batteries.

i

> In the case of shorting out 3 batteries in series, my expectation is
> that at least one would explode and perhaps all three. Let's say 700
> amps at 36 volts. These are liquid-filled electrolyte batteries. I
> predict steam generation between the battery plates. Better put a VERY
> sturdy acid-resistant shield over those batteries and have plenty of
> water and soda to neutralize the acid spill that I believe is
> imminent.
>
> Is there a ring gear anywhere on that motor?
>
>
>>I have a 1937 model Lincoln SA200 welder that never had a starter. I
>>have heard old welders say that they used start those on the pipeline
>>by getting one started and then using it to start the others by
>>connecting the welding leads from the running machine to the leads on
>>the machine they wanted to start whereupon the generator would be
>>motorized and the engine would start. Is this possible and could I
>>connect several (say 3) 12 volt batteries in series to the welding
>>leads and start my welder that way?


Posted by Thomas Kendrick on March 24, 2006, 8:35 am
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On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 04:44:53 GMT, Ignoramus5923

>> I'm gonna vote NO. A stick welder has the electrical circuitry built
>> into it to tolerate a dead short. That's what happens when the stick
>> electrode gets stuck to the work piece with the ground clamp attached
>> as well. Same thing when one is used to thaw a frozen pipe. The
>> voltage droops and the metal involved gets warmer to very hot in the
>> case of the small electrode. The resistance is fairly low.
>
>I think that the OP was referring to starting the welder with
>batteries, not to running it with batteries.

That was my understanding as well.

Posted by BFR on March 24, 2006, 10:52 pm
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>Is there a ring gear anywhere on that motor?

No, that's the problem. The welder was manufactured without either a
starter or any provision to install one. Since I know old timers used
to start such welder by hooking the leads from a running one to the
leads of the one to be started, thereby motorizing the generator and
turning over the engine, it seems that using batteries to do the same
thing would work as well. Why would connecting the batteries to the
welding leads to motorize the generator constitute a dead short? Many
dc motors are run off batteries and that doesn't constitute a dead
short. What do I not understand about this?


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