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OT: Attention BP Richard J Kinch 06-16-2010
Posted by Richard J Kinch on June 16, 2010, 6:50 pm
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Analysts estimate BP will wind up paying out $8,000 per barrel of oil
spilled in the Gulf. By my calculation that works out to about $20 per
shrimp not eaten.

Attention BP: please come to my house and spill a few dozen of those
barrels in my front yard. I will personally handle the cleanup and bill
you.

Fishermen don't own the Gulf of Mexico. Why should they benefit because
it closes? They get paid for not working? Shouldn't we all get paid for
the seafood we don't get to eat? Aren't we small people too?

Will we now get paid for lost time when a car accident backs up the
freeway?

These are perfect socialist remedies to the ordinary consequences of
lawful activity: confiscate the deep pockets for arbitrary and imaginary
costs to the "public". All for a glorified janitorial incident. Obama
wants to be chief janitor now.

Thank you to BP and all the other oil companies for fueling modern life
and civilization. I may like crawdads, but without them I will still
have flush toilets. Give me the oil instead.

I own beachfront property in Florida. I have dodged tarballs all my
life. I'm fine with that.

Posted by Wes on June 16, 2010, 6:58 pm
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>Fishermen don't own the Gulf of Mexico. Why should they benefit because
>it closes? They get paid for not working? Shouldn't we all get paid for
>the seafood we don't get to eat? Aren't we small people too?

The fisherman have a legitimate claim. Their fisheries are impacted and thus
their
livelihoods from something that should not have happened.

>
>Will we now get paid for lost time when a car accident backs up the
>freeway?

If in Japan, don't cause a train to stop. You are liable for the passengers
time. At
least that is how it was in 1977 when I was there.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

Posted by Jim Wilkins on June 16, 2010, 7:07 pm
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> ...
> The fisherman have a legitimate claim. =A0Their fisheries are impacted an=
d thus their
> livelihoods from something that should not have happened.
...

point, counterpoint.
I copied this from alt.energy.homepower:

> I just want the world to know.
> Dear Senator,
>
> My wife and I have a small store where we have been selling shrimp from f=
or
> 11 years. Our store is actually a boat in St. Andrews Marina. Everyday
> fishermen hired by BP are going out in search of oil. I see 30 to 50 boat=
s
> leave every morning. Many (it should be most*) of these are fishermen tha=
t
> have lost there means of making a living. BP has hired them and is paying
> them well. At this time we have no oil in Panama City.
>
> MY FIRST POINT, don't do anything that will affect the financial viabilit=
y
> of BP. You should encourage purchase of BP fuel, you need to keep BP heal=
thy
> so the stock price can rise, this makes BP stronger so it can continue to
> pay cleanup crews and claims.
>
> I am on this marina everyday and I know most of the fishermen, the fisher=
man
> are thrilled with the pay from BP.
>
> A small boat of 20ft gets $1000 dollars day, This is $250,000 a year for =
a 5
> day work week. Fuel and supplies are paid by BP. The larger the boat the
> higher the pay, $3000 a day is the highest I have heard. That's $750,000 =
a
> year, and the expenses are paid. Deckhands are getting $200 dollars a day=
,
> that is $50,000 a year. Most of these deckhands never saw $20,000 a year =
in
> there life.
>
> The pay is so high that the shrimpers are stopping shrimping and going to
> work for BP, on oil patrol. The same is happening in Apalachicola Fl, (ab=
out
> 100 miles SE of me) the oyster capitol of this area. Our local oyster bar
> had to find a new source for oysters, his oystermen went to work for BP.
>
> A quote from our local newspaper,
>
> "APALACHICOLA - With compensation checks easily available, oystering has
> slowed to a crawl on Apalachicola Bay. ...Seafood houses across the count=
y
> say they are able to obtain barely 10 percent of their normal allotment o=
f
> oysters. There are plenty of oysters. ( just know one to harvest them)
>
> Same with Apalachicola shrimpers, There is no oil and plenty of shrimp.
>
> Panama City Beach is a tourist area, when the oil gets here the thousands=
of
> hotel rooms will not have tourists, the housekeepers won't have work, the
> restaurants won't have customers and waitresses tips will dwindle. All
> business will be affected. Real estate is already greatly affected, peopl=
e
> don't want to buy with oil coming and some know prices will be lower in 3=
or
> 4 months.
>
> Now back to my situation, for the last 7 years we have been open 10 hrs a
> day, 7 days a week, 363 days a year.
>
> We will continue working until we can't. The plan was 7 to 10 more years,
> now I don't know if it will be one more month or one more year. At this
> point I am confident BP will pay for any losses that I may have in the
> future, but they need to continue to be financially strong.
>
> I'm sure you're aware that the BP stock price is down 44% since the spill
> started. This means they have lost 73 billion in market capitalization. I=
t
> is time to help the company recover rather than do anything that could
> affect the price further.
>
> Many retirees rely on BP dividends for retirement income. If you push the
> idea to create an escrow fund and cause the dividend to be unpaid, this w=
ill
> lower the stock price, further weakening the company. Without those
> dividends the retirees will find other stocks to get there income**.
>
> This could cause BP to fail.
>
> If you allow BP to stay strong, the 15 to 20 billion dollars of profit th=
ey
> generate every year will be more
>
> than enough to pay cleanup and claims.
>
> Please stay focused on the unintended consequences of creating an escrow
> fund.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Mike Knowlton
>
> **Recreational fisherman are jumping on this gravy train, it should have
> been commercial
>
> fishermen first. Retirees are supplementing their retirement with their
> recreational fishing boat.
>
> ** ( starting with 44% less money)


Posted by Buerste on June 16, 2010, 10:24 pm
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>
>>Fishermen don't own the Gulf of Mexico. Why should they benefit because
>>it closes? They get paid for not working? Shouldn't we all get paid for
>>the seafood we don't get to eat? Aren't we small people too?
>
> The fisherman have a legitimate claim. Their fisheries are impacted and
> thus their
> livelihoods from something that should not have happened.
>
<snip>

All those restaurants that aren't serving normal business aren't using my
products fast enough. Do I have a claim?



Posted by mattathayde on June 17, 2010, 10:52 am
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mattathayde had written this in response to
http://rittercnc.com/metalworking/OT-Attention-BP-243900-.htm :


-------------------------------------
Richard J Kinch wrote:




> Analysts estimate BP will wind up paying out $8,000 per barrel of oil
> spilled in the Gulf. By my calculation that works out to about $20 per

> shrimp not eaten.

> Attention BP: please come to my house and spill a few dozen of those
> barrels in my front yard. I will personally handle the cleanup and
> bill
> you.

> Fishermen don't own the Gulf of Mexico. Why should they benefit because

> it closes? They get paid for not working? Shouldn't we all get paid for

> the seafood we don't get to eat? Aren't we small people too?

> Will we now get paid for lost time when a car accident backs up the
> freeway?

> These are perfect socialist remedies to the ordinary consequences of
> lawful activity: confiscate the deep pockets for arbitrary and
> imaginary
> costs to the "public". All for a glorified janitorial
> incident. Obama
> wants to be chief janitor now.

> Thank you to BP and all the other oil companies for fueling modern life

> and civilization. I may like crawdads, but without them I will still
> have flush toilets. Give me the oil instead.

> I own beachfront property in Florida. I have dodged tarballs all my
> life. I'm fine with that.

so its now lawful to ignore safety regulations? last i checked if someone
showed gross negligence they were liable.

do you understand how many years this will impact the area? if they didnt
use
dispersants and collected and burned the oil (which is the most
efficient/safest
/environmentally friendly way to clean up a large spill) they will only
get 30%
at best, now that they have dumped dispersants in they will barely get any
of it
and it will take longer to clean any bit of it up and let it break down.

the fact you think this is just a glorified janitorial incident proves you
have
no idea what you are talking about. in fact if you had 2000 gallons of
crude
oil on your property to clean up you a)better have some good hazmat gear
or else
your going to get extremely sick just being near that much crude, better
have
access to an excavator and have access to a disposal facility and haz mat
transportation. it would easily cost thousands of dollars to clean up one
barrel on land, in the water its 1000 times worse to clean up thus more
expensive.


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