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Pre-hard machinable steel with highest compressive yield strength John2005 05-31-2008
Posted by John R. Carroll on May 31, 2008, 11:53 pm
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Black Dragon wrote:
> John R. Carroll wrote:
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>> Black Dragon wrote:
>>> John R. Carroll wrote:
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>>>> Black Dragon wrote:
>>>>> John R. Carroll wrote:
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>>>>>> John2005 wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
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> Yep. Viscount 44 is a terrible steel alright.

Well, we hated the stuff but to each his own.

>I'd much rather machine
> DH2F, it's a wee bit more forgiving. <g>

What is that anyway?
D-2?

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Posted by John2005 on June 1, 2008, 1:05 am
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>Tooling for hard milling has come a long way over the years.
>People are machining 60 RC D-2 these days from the start.

Tool steel at RC 60 would be plenty strong. What type of cutter and
feed rates are needed to machine tool steel this hard ? I didn't think
anything would really cut tool steel that hard, let alone do it cost
effectively. EDM may be a way to go as well, but I'm not sure
expensive it is for two prototype pieces to test.

I think most tool steel at around 52-55 RC would have a yield around
300,000 PSI which would be plenty strong (280,000 PSI compressive
yield strength would be enough for me) . A2 or S7 would probably be
ideal, but I don't know if their available in pre-hard, or at these
hardness levels. Generally I had thought that anything at these
hardness levels pretty much had to be ground.

I've drilled and countersunk pre-hard 4140 (I think it was 27-32 RC).
I just used a new HSS bit and I was surprised how easy it cut but I
had always thought machining tool steel in the 55-60 RC range was out
of the question.

John

Posted by John R. Carroll on June 1, 2008, 3:25 am
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John2005 wrote:
>> Tooling for hard milling has come a long way over the years.
>> People are machining 60 RC D-2 these days from the start.
>
> Tool steel at RC 60 would be plenty strong. What type of cutter and
> feed rates are needed to machine tool steel this hard ? I didn't think
> anything would really cut tool steel that hard, let alone do it cost
> effectively. EDM may be a way to go as well, but I'm not sure
> expensive it is for two prototype pieces to test.
>
> I think most tool steel at around 52-55 RC would have a yield around
> 300,000 PSI which would be plenty strong (280,000 PSI compressive
> yield strength would be enough for me) . A2 or S7 would probably be
> ideal, but I don't know if their available in pre-hard, or at these
> hardness levels. Generally I had thought that anything at these
> hardness levels pretty much had to be ground.
>
> I've drilled and countersunk pre-hard 4140 (I think it was 27-32 RC).
> I just used a new HSS bit and I was surprised how easy it cut but I
> had always thought machining tool steel in the 55-60 RC range was out
> of the question.
>

http://www.moldmakingtechnology.com/inmotion/greenleaf1/

MMT inMotion Multimedia Presentation

The Benefits & Techniques Of Hard Milling With Ceramics

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Posted by Black Dragon on June 1, 2008, 9:02 am
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John R. Carroll wrote:

> John2005 wrote:
>>> Tooling for hard milling has come a long way over the years.
>>> People are machining 60 RC D-2 these days from the start.

>> Tool steel at RC 60 would be plenty strong. What type of cutter and
>> feed rates are needed to machine tool steel this hard ? I didn't think
>> anything would really cut tool steel that hard, let alone do it cost
>> effectively. EDM may be a way to go as well, but I'm not sure
>> expensive it is for two prototype pieces to test.

>> I think most tool steel at around 52-55 RC would have a yield around
>> 300,000 PSI which would be plenty strong (280,000 PSI compressive
>> yield strength would be enough for me) . A2 or S7 would probably be
>> ideal, but I don't know if their available in pre-hard, or at these
>> hardness levels. Generally I had thought that anything at these
>> hardness levels pretty much had to be ground.

>> I've drilled and countersunk pre-hard 4140 (I think it was 27-32 RC).
>> I just used a new HSS bit and I was surprised how easy it cut but I
>> had always thought machining tool steel in the 55-60 RC range was out
>> of the question.


> http://www.moldmakingtechnology.com/inmotion/greenleaf1/

> MMT inMotion Multimedia Presentation

> The Benefits & Techniques Of Hard Milling With Ceramics

http://www.creat.com/videos.shtml

See the hard milling and rib milling videos.

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Posted by John2005 on June 1, 2008, 6:25 pm
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Thanks for the additional feedback and links guys, I will check into
this a little further.

The shop I'm having machine the parts has no in house heat treating. I
was trying to avoid having to fool with machining a few thousandths
over size, heat treating, and griding to final size. From an accuracy
standpoint, it's also best to machine this in one setup.

I might be able to get close to what I need or perhaps I will have to
heat treat and grind. Perhaps I will test some pre-hard and see how it
does first. I will also check out the links John gave regarding hard
milling, that sounds interesting.

Thanks again and take care guys,
John

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