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Posted by ED on May 4, 2008, 10:56 pm
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>Engine in question is a 5.3 liter Chevy Vortex (Silverado truck).
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>Outfit in Canada has a conversion package that allows you to use propane and
>petrol to run your vehicle. Automatically switches to petrol if propane
>pressure runs low, or you can manually switch (while in motion) back and
>forth. Supposedly exceeds EPA clean air requirements.
>
>Since I am already buying propane, and, have a wet hose by which I can fill
>extra tanks, this seems to be an excellent way to beat the cost of petrol.
>Right now I am paying $ 2.40 for a gallon of propane. Petrol (here in
>Oregon) is running $3.55 per gallon currently.
>
>At a savings of $20 ± per tankful, this might have a payback within, say, a
>2 year period. Downside would be the tank I would have to lug around in the
>back of the truck. However, the savings would allow me to take more trips
>with the 5th wheel.
>
>Has anybody in this group tried this, or know somebody that has? I am going
>on the assumption that there will always be a large price differential
>between these two energy sources, especially since you pay a heavy tax on
>the petrol.
>
>All comments appreciated. If you tell me that I am stupid to consider this,
>please tell me why!!
>
>Ivan Vegvary
>
Move to Utah or wait a few years
CNG is the future..... Read this recent article, $.63
a gallon today..... There's a number of
ventures into natural gas systems for automotive use.
The local utility has a few CNG units on the road
now.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5guWBaNQkx4i2y5BaZeWFnU1lXPKgD908O7A80
Build*lots* of nuclear power plants. decrease home energy use by
20% and get Detroit to build CNG cars then tell OPEC to find another
buyer for their oil...T Boone Pickens is making a huge bet on this
one..follow the money ED
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Posted by on May 5, 2008, 12:07 am
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>wrote:
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>>Engine in question is a 5.3 liter Chevy Vortex (Silverado truck).
>>
>>Outfit in Canada has a conversion package that allows you to use propane and
>>petrol to run your vehicle. Automatically switches to petrol if propane
>>pressure runs low, or you can manually switch (while in motion) back and
>>forth. Supposedly exceeds EPA clean air requirements.
>>
>>Since I am already buying propane, and, have a wet hose by which I can fill
>>extra tanks, this seems to be an excellent way to beat the cost of petrol.
>>Right now I am paying $ 2.40 for a gallon of propane. Petrol (here in
>>Oregon) is running $3.55 per gallon currently.
>>
>>At a savings of $20 ± per tankful, this might have a payback within, say, a
>>2 year period. Downside would be the tank I would have to lug around in the
>>back of the truck. However, the savings would allow me to take more trips
>>with the 5th wheel.
>>
>>Has anybody in this group tried this, or know somebody that has? I am going
>>on the assumption that there will always be a large price differential
>>between these two energy sources, especially since you pay a heavy tax on
>>the petrol.
>>
>>All comments appreciated. If you tell me that I am stupid to consider this,
>>please tell me why!!
>>
>>Ivan Vegvary
>>
>Move to Utah or wait a few years
>
>CNG is the future..... Read this recent article, $.63
>a gallon today..... There's a number of
> ventures into natural gas systems for automotive use.
>The local utility has a few CNG units on the road
>now.
>
>
>http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5guWBaNQkx4i2y5BaZeWFnU1lXPKgD908O7A80
>
>
> Build*lots* of nuclear power plants. decrease home energy use by
>20% and get Detroit to build CNG cars then tell OPEC to find another
>buyer for their oil...T Boone Pickens is making a huge bet on this
>one..follow the money ED
>
Was lots of CNG up here in Ontario a few years ago - including our
local transit system.
It is falling OUT of favour due to the complexity of refueling and the
short range (due to very low energy storage density) Takes a HUGE
heavy walled tank to hold sufficient CNG to operate a vehicle for a
complete day, and takes quite a long time to re-fuel.
When we have no gasoline or fuel oil, CNG may become a short-term
solution.
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Posted by Wayne Cook on May 5, 2008, 10:45 am
Please log in for more thread options On Mon, 05 May 2008 00:07:02 -0400, clare at snyder dot ontario dot
canada wrote:
>wrote:
>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Engine in question is a 5.3 liter Chevy Vortex (Silverado truck).
>>>
>>>Outfit in Canada has a conversion package that allows you to use propane and
>>>petrol to run your vehicle. Automatically switches to petrol if propane
>>>pressure runs low, or you can manually switch (while in motion) back and
>>>forth. Supposedly exceeds EPA clean air requirements.
>>>
>>>Since I am already buying propane, and, have a wet hose by which I can fill
>>>extra tanks, this seems to be an excellent way to beat the cost of petrol.
>>>Right now I am paying $ 2.40 for a gallon of propane. Petrol (here in
>>>Oregon) is running $3.55 per gallon currently.
>>>
>>>At a savings of $20 ± per tankful, this might have a payback within, say, a
>>>2 year period. Downside would be the tank I would have to lug around in the
>>>back of the truck. However, the savings would allow me to take more trips
>>>with the 5th wheel.
>>>
>>>Has anybody in this group tried this, or know somebody that has? I am going
>>>on the assumption that there will always be a large price differential
>>>between these two energy sources, especially since you pay a heavy tax on
>>>the petrol.
>>>
>>>All comments appreciated. If you tell me that I am stupid to consider this,
>>>please tell me why!!
>>>
>>>Ivan Vegvary
>>>
>>Move to Utah or wait a few years
>>
>>CNG is the future..... Read this recent article, $.63
>>a gallon today..... There's a number of
>> ventures into natural gas systems for automotive use.
>>The local utility has a few CNG units on the road
>>now.
>>
>>
>>http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5guWBaNQkx4i2y5BaZeWFnU1lXPKgD908O7A80
>>
>>
>> Build*lots* of nuclear power plants. decrease home energy use by
>>20% and get Detroit to build CNG cars then tell OPEC to find another
>>buyer for their oil...T Boone Pickens is making a huge bet on this
>>one..follow the money ED
>>
>Was lots of CNG up here in Ontario a few years ago - including our
>local transit system.
>It is falling OUT of favour due to the complexity of refueling and the
>short range (due to very low energy storage density) Takes a HUGE
>heavy walled tank to hold sufficient CNG to operate a vehicle for a
>complete day, and takes quite a long time to re-fuel.
>
>When we have no gasoline or fuel oil, CNG may become a short-term
>solution.
Let's put it this way. A local NG producer bought all the stuff to
compress the gas and run there trucks off it (to check the wells).
They quit using it because of the expense and trouble. Not a good sign
IMO.
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>Outfit in Canada has a conversion package that allows you to use propane and
>petrol to run your vehicle. Automatically switches to petrol if propane
>pressure runs low, or you can manually switch (while in motion) back and
>forth. Supposedly exceeds EPA clean air requirements.
>
>Since I am already buying propane, and, have a wet hose by which I can fill
>extra tanks, this seems to be an excellent way to beat the cost of petrol.
>Right now I am paying $ 2.40 for a gallon of propane. Petrol (here in
>Oregon) is running $3.55 per gallon currently.
>
>At a savings of $20 ± per tankful, this might have a payback within, say, a
>2 year period. Downside would be the tank I would have to lug around in the
>back of the truck. However, the savings would allow me to take more trips
>with the 5th wheel.
>
>Has anybody in this group tried this, or know somebody that has? I am going
>on the assumption that there will always be a large price differential
>between these two energy sources, especially since you pay a heavy tax on
>the petrol.
>
>All comments appreciated. If you tell me that I am stupid to consider this,
>please tell me why!!
>
>Ivan Vegvary
>