Re: $4 dollar gas and its effects on metalworking

>Well it looks like we will definitely see $4 dollar gas this summer.
>
>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080408/ap_on_bi_ge/gas_demand;_ylt=Alg4QOCVKoG0s4WE0yyABAqb.HQA
>
>Any thoughts as to how this will affect us HSMers in the shop?
>
>I already find myself limiting the distance I will drive to view,
>purchase and pickup machines and supplies for my shop.
>
>TMT

Gee, I WISH we had $4/gallon gas.
Best price today here in Kitchener/Waterloo is $4.20 for regular.
Across town it was $4.30. ANd that's for your pipsqueak american
gallon.
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Posted by Steve R. on April 8, 2008, 10:14 pm

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<clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada> wrote in message

> On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:27:52 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
>

>>Well it looks like we will definitely see $4 dollar gas this summer.
>>
>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080408/ap_on_bi_ge/gas_demand;_ylt=Alg4QOCVKoG0s4WE0yyABAqb.HQA
>>
>>Any thoughts as to how this will affect us HSMers in the shop?
>>
>>I already find myself limiting the distance I will drive to view,
>>purchase and pickup machines and supplies for my shop.
>>
>>TMT

> Gee, I WISH we had $4/gallon gas.
> Best price today here in Kitchener/Waterloo is $4.20 for regular.
> Across town it was $4.30. ANd that's for your pipsqueak american
> gallon.
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

$1.21 per litre here. You do the math!

Steve R.

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Posted by F. George McDuffee on April 8, 2008, 11:30 pm

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On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:45:03 -0400, clare at snyder dot ontario
dot canada wrote:

>On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:27:52 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
>

>Gee, I WISH we had $4/gallon gas.
>Best price today here in Kitchener/Waterloo is $4.20 for regular.
>Across town it was $4.30. ANd that's for your pipsqueak american
>gallon.
>** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

===========
There is the price that you pay at the pump and what gas actually
costs.

Best current estimate is that *TOTAL* American gas costs to the
end user/consumer are about 10 to 12$ per US gallon when
subsidies, petroleum company tax breaks, tax increment financing,
no cost oil from public lands, etc., (which the tax payers or
their grand kids) have to make up are included.

Note that this does *NOT* include the interest cost on the
borrowed money for the oil company tax breaks and evasion,
military costs including American lives, tax evasion, and the
geo-political costs, which adds substantial but indefinite costs
to every gallon.

==> This shows again what a bad idea it is to subvert the free
market by hiding costs. <==

If the US had been up front, with the public paying the full
skippie at the pump since the mid 70s, it would not be crunch
time now. Wind, solar, tidal and even bio fuels [using saw grass
and agricultural waste, *NOT* food stocks] would now be major
players in not only fuel but also feedstocks for plastics. We
would also not have a grossly distorted economy based on
subsidized transportation.

Unka' George [George McDuffee]
-------------------------------------------
He that will not apply new remedies,
must expect new evils:
for Time is the greatest innovator: and
if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

Posted by John R. Carroll on April 9, 2008, 5:44 am

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F. George McDuffee wrote:

> On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:45:03 -0400, clare at snyder dot ontario
> dot canada wrote:
>

>> On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:27:52 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
>>

>>> Well it looks like we will definitely see $4 dollar gas this summer.
>>>
>>>

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080408/ap_on_bi_ge/gas_demand;_ylt=Alg4QOCVKoG0s4WE0yyABAqb.HQA

>>>
>>> Any thoughts as to how this will affect us HSMers in the shop?
>>>
>>> I already find myself limiting the distance I will drive to view,
>>> purchase and pickup machines and supplies for my shop.
>>>
>>> TMT

>> Gee, I WISH we had $4/gallon gas.
>> Best price today here in Kitchener/Waterloo is $4.20 for regular.
>> Across town it was $4.30. ANd that's for your pipsqueak american
>> gallon.
>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

> ===========
> There is the price that you pay at the pump and what gas actually
> costs.
>
> Best current estimate is that *TOTAL* American gas costs to the
> end user/consumer are about 10 to 12$ per US gallon when
> subsidies, petroleum company tax breaks, tax increment financing,
> no cost oil from public lands, etc., (which the tax payers or
> their grand kids) have to make up are included.
>
> Note that this does *NOT* include the interest cost on the
> borrowed money for the oil company tax breaks and evasion,
> military costs including American lives, tax evasion, and the
> geo-political costs, which adds substantial but indefinite costs
> to every gallon.
>

> ==> This shows again what a bad idea it is to subvert the free

> market by hiding costs. <==
>
> If the US had been up front, with the public paying the full
> skippie at the pump since the mid 70s, it would not be crunch
> time now. Wind, solar, tidal and even bio fuels [using saw grass
> and agricultural waste, *NOT* food stocks] would now be major
> players in not only fuel but also feedstocks for plastics. We
> would also not have a grossly distorted economy based on
> subsidized transportation.
>
>

All true and this isn't only an energy industry thing.
Increased gasoline prices have already had one positive result here in LA.
Traffic has dropped significantly on some routes, especially I-405 between
LAX and 101. I made it from Chatsworth to Torrance (46 miles) yesterday in
an hour at three o'clock in the afternoon. That is unheard of.

--

John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com

Posted by SteveB on April 9, 2008, 9:03 am

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>
> All true and this isn't only an energy industry thing.
> Increased gasoline prices have already had one positive result here in LA.
> Traffic has dropped significantly on some routes, especially I-405 between
> LAX and 101. I made it from Chatsworth to Torrance (46 miles) yesterday in
> an hour at three o'clock in the afternoon. That is unheard of.

I figured it was about break point time for slovenly unnecessary driving.
Lots of people flitting here and there, cell phone glued to their ear,
driving a stick shift, drinking a soda and smoking at the same time. Going
nowhere, doing nothing. Usually under twenty five years old.

Steve

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