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Re: $4 dollar gas and its effects on metalworking vk3bfa 04-13-2008
Posted by Citizen Jimserac on April 16, 2008, 6:19 pm
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> I missed the Staff meeting, but the Memos showed that Gunner Asch
> in rec.crafts.metalworking :
>
>
>
> >On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:35:16 -0700 (PDT), CitizenJimserac
>
>
> >>DINOSAUR POLITICS!
>
> >>What a delightful characterization of
> >>your position.
>
> >>I will leave you with a sample of the depth of "strategy"
> >>of our commander (sic) in chief:
> >>"We've gotta stop them over there BEFORE they
> >>come over here".
>
> >>You don't have to be a liberal to see how STUPID
> >>THAT is.
>
> >>CitizenJimserac
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dkv4s3fn8jDc
>
> Thanks gunner.
>
> "Citizen" Jim needs to have someone explain, probably with small
> words and simple pictures. how really stupid it is to wait until
> something bad happens, and then launch a police investigation. I
> figure a Tanya Harding episode applied personally might get the
> message though.
>
> "The ear of the fool is on his back" - an Egyptian Proverb I
> recall from my travels.
>
> pyotr
> --
> pyotr filipivich
> "I had just been through hell and must have looked like death warmed
> over walking into the saloon, because when I asked the bartender
> whether they served zombies he said, =91Sure, what'll you have?'"
> from I Hear America Swinging by Peter DeVries

And YOU need to have somebody explain in real simple words and
pictures that looking into the water bottles of every single airline
passenger and checking their shoes and wasting 30 million dollars on a
database that detains a U.S. congressman and a 6 month old baby as
potential terrorists, is NOT going to stop the terrorist threat so
long as our borders and ports remain open or only partially guarded.

Neither is wasting one trillion dollars in a war waged in the wrong
county.

Citizen Jimserac

Posted by Eregon on April 17, 2008, 2:43 am
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8ffe-857e851ee9d3@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:

> The head of the conservative is up his butt. - an American Proverb
> that is playing out before our eyes.

As usual, you're misquoting.

The fifth word is "liberal" - not "conservative" - and the original has
been proven repeatedly BY YOU.


Posted by on April 17, 2008, 9:09 am
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>
> >Interestingly enough, the younger people are increasingly blaming our
> >generation for the mess the world is in. They don't get bogged down in
> >dinosaur politics - its irrelevant to them - they just damn us all! -
> >as long as we can find a convenient left/right scapegoat to absolve us
> >from actually taking any real responsibility at a personal level, they
> >may well be right.
>
> >Andrew VK3bFA.
>
> The young generally didnt give a shit about anything other than sound
> bytes with zip data backing those sound bytes up.
>
> Meism and Nowism along with Cliche politics is more their forte.
>
> Gunner

Well, yes - agree. They have largely given up, they have seen their
elders engage in endless vituperative debate, and nothing happens
except things get worse..why should they give a rats arse about the
dinosaurs, thrashing around, making lots of noise, but basically doing
nothing except blaming "someone else"....so, can opening themselves,
listening to sound bites, me too isms - desperately hoping, without
any real conviction, that someone will offer hope and inspiration, not
just more lies and broken promises.........

$4 gas is the least of our problems.....



Andrew VK3BFA.

Posted by Gunner on April 17, 2008, 10:18 am
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On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 06:09:54 -0700 (PDT), vk3bfa@hotmail.com wrote:

>>
>> The young generally didnt give a shit about anything other than sound
>> bytes with zip data backing those sound bytes up.
>>
>> Meism and Nowism along with Cliche politics is more their forte.
>>
>> Gunner
>
>Well, yes - agree. They have largely given up, they have seen their
>elders engage in endless vituperative debate, and nothing happens
>except things get worse..why should they give a rats arse about the
>dinosaurs, thrashing around, making lots of noise, but basically doing
>nothing except blaming "someone else"....so, can opening themselves,
>listening to sound bites, me too isms - desperately hoping, without
>any real conviction, that someone will offer hope and inspiration, not
>just more lies and broken promises.........
>
>$4 gas is the least of our problems.....


Given up? The little skulls filled with mush never started. They were
educated to be leftards..which took too much effort so they have
simply become semimoble couch potatos who bow to the latest fashion
trends which make them all look the same, with little incentive to do
anything other than fuck, get drunk and have a ready supply of
ringtones to download.

Gunner

Posted by Citizen Jimserac on April 20, 2008, 9:29 am
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> On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 06:09:54 -0700 (PDT), vk3...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >> The young generally didnt give a shit about anything other than sound
> >> bytes with zip data backing those sound bytes up.
>
> >> Meism and Nowism along with Cliche politics is more their forte.
>
> >> Gunner
>
> >Well, yes - agree. They have largely given up, they have seen their
> >elders engage in endless vituperative debate, and nothing happens
> >except things get worse..why should they give a rats arse about the
> >dinosaurs, thrashing around, making lots of noise, but basically doing
> >nothing except blaming "someone else"....so, can opening themselves,
> >listening to sound bites, me too isms - desperately hoping, without
> >any real conviction, that someone will offer hope and inspiration, not
> >just more lies and broken promises.........
>
> >$4 gas is the least of our problems.....
>
> Given up? The little skulls filled with mush never started. They were
> educated to be leftards..which took too much effort so they have
> simply become semimoble couch potatos who bow to the latest fashion
> trends which make them all look the same, with little incentive to do
> anything other than fuck, get drunk and have a ready supply of
> ringtones to download.
>
> Gunner

And here we see a rare agreement between my views and Gunner's.
BOTH liberals and the right were
involved in the deceptive "re-engineering"
of our educational system over a period of
decades starting over 100 years ago.

Real education, it was decided,
was for the elite classes and
what was needed was a system
of "socialization" and indoctrination
to produce happy non-thinking
obedient worker drones
and cannon fodder for the military.

I MOST strongly
suggest the following book, which
is totally online and free to read with nice chapter
summaries (see link below), written by
a New York public school system
teacher of 30 years who did his research
and exposed the entire dirty
BIG secret (hint: keep an eye on
those benevolent money granting
foundations ) which is
supposed to be a book about our education
system but which, for me, was a whole
lot more, so insightful and incisive are
the author's observations:
"The Underground History of American Education"
by John Taylor Gatto

http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/toc1.htm

Even if you disagree with his idea of how our
educational "system" came to be as it is now,
despite his rather compelling documentation and
arguments, I suspect you will find his
social commentary, and explication of our
modern culture a revelation.

"Those vast violence ridden boredom and envy filled social warehouses
that our education system has become, and the motivations
and theories of those who purposely designed it that way,
eventually substituting the dumbing down of the young
workers to be as a goal superiour to the popularly
expected one of educating the young, are all explained
though the perpetrators of this vast
self aggrandizing deception would probably
prefer to remain in the "background"."
from "The Underground History of American Education"
by John Taylor Gatto

Citizen JImserac

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