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Re: A new "constitutional right" Hawke 02-03-2010
Posted by Hawke on February 3, 2010, 2:42 pm
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>>>>>>> That year unions raised more than $15 million to defeat a slate
>>>>>>> of measures sponsored by initiative activist Bill Sizemore.
>>>>>> And $15 million is about 0.03% of Exxon's PROFIT last year. A
>>>>>> mere drop in the bucket. The guys with the big money can now
>>>>>> run their own campaigns, dwarfing anything a candidate could
>>>>>> reasonably do on his/ her own. Left, right, I don't really care
>>>>>> (well, I do, but not in this case). This ruling stinks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Personally, I think the kind of spending that goes on in
>>>>>> political campaigns is obscene. To have a candidate talking
>>>>>> about fixing the economy or helping the poor or lowering the
>>>>>> deficit while spending tens or hundreds of millions on campaign
>>>>>> signs and commercials is just wrong. And that goes for BOTH
>>>>>> sides. There's GOT to be a better way, and letting big-money
>>>>>> corporations run away with it is simply a giant step in the
>>>>>> wrong direction.
>>>>>
>>>>> What it really did was reverse parts of McCain-Feingold.
>>>> That is what upsets the left so much.
>>>> They thought they had a law there to muzzle their opponents.
>>> Yep, which was one reason I was surprized that McCain was a
>>> co-sponsor.
>> I know..
>> One reason I had a hard time supporting him in the end..
>
> One reason I didn't support him in the end.
>
>>>> In fact a group that produced a movie very critical of Hillary
>>>> Clinton chose not to air it for fear of being prosecuted under
>>>> McCain-Feingold.
>>> That group was the case that the Supremes just decided.
>> I hope they release the movie ...
>> Or has it but the press has given it no notice ?
>
> Don't know.

Chances are that few if anyone will see the movie. On it's own it's
worthless. No one would pay to see it. It was paid for by corporate
interests and it's purpose was to affect an election. It was meant to
make Hillary look bad and to keep her from being elected. That is the
point of the law against corporations making contributions 60 days
before an election. It's unfair. This movie was strictly a political
statement. Because the movie has no commercial value proves that. They
only made it to sway the election. Now that the Supreme Court has
allowed things like this you can expect to see a lot more "movies" from
corporations praising and excoriating candidates they like or dislike.
There will be more corporate influence in the election process from now
on. Hey isn't that great news? They corporations haven't had a voice in
the process before and now they will. Good for them! The people need to
give the corporations more say so in elections. After all corporations
are people too. Just ask the Supreme Court, the same folks who told us
black people were really only 3/5 of a person.

Hawke

Posted by RD (The Sandman) on February 3, 2010, 3:45 pm
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@speranza.aioe.org:

>
>>>>>>>> That year unions raised more than $15 million to defeat a slate
>>>>>>>> of measures sponsored by initiative activist Bill Sizemore.
>>>>>>> And $15 million is about 0.03% of Exxon's PROFIT last year. A
>>>>>>> mere drop in the bucket. The guys with the big money can now
>>>>>>> run their own campaigns, dwarfing anything a candidate could
>>>>>>> reasonably do on his/ her own. Left, right, I don't really care
>>>>>>> (well, I do, but not in this case). This ruling stinks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Personally, I think the kind of spending that goes on in
>>>>>>> political campaigns is obscene. To have a candidate talking
>>>>>>> about fixing the economy or helping the poor or lowering the
>>>>>>> deficit while spending tens or hundreds of millions on campaign
>>>>>>> signs and commercials is just wrong. And that goes for BOTH
>>>>>>> sides. There's GOT to be a better way, and letting big-money
>>>>>>> corporations run away with it is simply a giant step in the
>>>>>>> wrong direction.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What it really did was reverse parts of McCain-Feingold.
>>>>> That is what upsets the left so much.
>>>>> They thought they had a law there to muzzle their opponents.
>>>> Yep, which was one reason I was surprized that McCain was a
>>>> co-sponsor.
>>> I know..
>>> One reason I had a hard time supporting him in the end..
>>
>> One reason I didn't support him in the end.
>>
>>>>> In fact a group that produced a movie very critical of Hillary
>>>>> Clinton chose not to air it for fear of being prosecuted under
>>>>> McCain-Feingold.
>>>> That group was the case that the Supremes just decided.
>>> I hope they release the movie ...
>>> Or has it but the press has given it no notice ?
>>
>> Don't know.
>
> Chances are that few if anyone will see the movie. On it's own it's
> worthless. No one would pay to see it. It was paid for by corporate
> interests and it's purpose was to affect an election. It was meant to
> make Hillary look bad and to keep her from being elected.

Much like some of Michael Moore's stuff. ;)

That is the
> point of the law against corporations making contributions 60 days
> before an election. It's unfair.

I agree......there is no time for the candidate to reply to it.

> This movie was strictly a political
> statement. Because the movie has no commercial value proves that. They
> only made it to sway the election. Now that the Supreme Court has
> allowed things like this you can expect to see a lot more "movies" from
> corporations praising and excoriating candidates they like or dislike.

I disagree with the USSC decision in regard to corporations and unions,
but I also have a problem with the restriction of free speech. I wish to
see more of that, not less.

> There will be more corporate influence in the election process from now
> on. Hey isn't that great news? They corporations haven't had a voice in
> the process before and now they will. Good for them! The people need to
> give the corporations more say so in elections. After all corporations
> are people too. Just ask the Supreme Court, the same folks who told us
> black people were really only 3/5 of a person.

Much of what was overturned was parts of McCain-Feingold which was a
recent act.


--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

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