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Posted by Ed Huntress on July 22, 2008, 12:19 am
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> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>>> Piaget and conservative politics. Jesus H. Christ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Ed Huntress
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed. And what a convoluted and long winded way to basically make
>>>>> the same
>>>>> old simple and tired generalizations about "liberals". How they are
>>>>> this or
>>>>> that and how they don't understand or have even the most basic common
>>>>> sense.
>>>>> Give me a break. I've been around for quite a while and in my
>>>>> experience the
>>>>> brightest people I've run into, with the most brains and best
>>>>> educations are
>>>>> liberals. When you want to find thinkers you look to the liberals.
>>>>> When you
>>>>> want someone who follows orders you find a conservative. How's that
>>>>> generalization? It's easy to generalize about any group and to find
>>>>> your
>>>>> political opponents lacking. But blanket statements about groups are
>>>>> often
>>>>> useless. Like in this case. One can make generalizations that are
>>>>> worth
>>>>> while but trying to paint liberals as not being as bright as anyone
>>>>> else or
>>>>> not having the ability to conceptualize abstractions is just your
>>>>> basic
>>>>> bullshit. As you would expect it is bullshit from a right winger.
>>>>> Isn't that
>>>>> exactly what you would expect?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hawke
>>>> Yeah, it is. Ideologues tend to be insecure thinkers who get along by
>>>> demonizing or belittling the other side. That's how they pump
>>>> themselves up.
>>>>
>>> Except Idiotlogues are not thinkers. They are reciters, who recite
>>> conveniently, circularly, and dyslexically.
>>> Think Rush "Me? Take drugs???" Limbaugh.
>>
>> I hope I didn't give the wrong impression there, because I agree
>> completely. Ideology is a *substitute* for hard thinking.
>>
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>
> Kind of hard to do without it...
>
>
> ideology
>
> 1. the body of doctrine, myth, belief, etc., that guides an individual,
> social movement, institution, class, or large group.
> 2. such a body of doctrine, myth, etc., with reference to some political
> and social plan, as that of fascism, along with the devices for putting it
> into operation.
> 3. Philosophy.
> a. the study of the nature and origin of ideas.
> b. a system that derives ideas exclusively from sensation.
> 4. theorizing of a visionary or impractical nature.
>
> [Origin: 1790–1800; ideo- + -logy; cf. F idéologie]
> Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
> Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc.
> 2006.
>
>
> Tell us what you use.
Use for what?
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Ed Huntress
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Posted by Ed Huntress on July 20, 2008, 6:51 pm
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> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:09:44 -0400, "DrollTroll"
>
>>Liberals are not really a political party.
>>
>>They are a *philosophical camp*, smart enough to realize that
>>change/humanism must occur through politics, but without the shameless
>>barbarism *required* to push change through the very messy, dirty, and
>>corrupt "political process".
>>
>>And who are also, I'm afraid, not fully clued in to the works of Malthus,
>>Darwin, Orwell, Machiavelli et al.
>> All of whom are now being diabolically realized by the P4 chip and
>> digital
>>satellites, whereby we tip our informational and collective psychological
>>hand every time we click that goddamm mouse.
>>
>>Liberals in a sense reflect the dilemma:
>>Just how does a *true* pacifist defend himself, his wife, daughter against
>>rape, pillage, and plunder?
>>Answer: They don't, which is partly why you don't see too many true
>>pacifists.
>>
>>Liberals will *always* be politically ineffectual. Brite indeed, but
>>ineffectual.
> What is the Liberal Left and What is its Goal?
>
> by TYSK
>
> The liberal left is neither a singular entity nor even a single group
> or organization. Liberalism is a mindset just as conservatism is a
> mindset. For the average liberal there is not one "goal" or outcome
> for which they strive.
>
> I am sure that most individuals afflicted with a liberal mindset would
> be unable to name any particular goal for their beliefs. It is in many
> ways like a religion ... a set of pre-defined attitudes and opinions
> by which they make decisions in life.
TYSK apparently is another ignorant poseur who has never studied the
foundational documents of conservatism (Burke, Kolnai, Hayek, Tocqueville,
Oakeshott, and the "Old Whigs"). As Richard Allen said in _Beyond
Liberalism_, conservatism IS religion. TYSK is just making it up as he goes
along and probably has no idea where his ideas came from. That's true of 99%
of conservatives. They just pick it up from someone else, without much
discrimination. The other 1%, who are mostly younger and somewhat
intellectual, call people like TYSK "paleoconservatives."
> Most often these attitudes and
> opinions are not of their own formation or arrived at through
> considered thought. Instead, they are learned from others' repeated
> pronouncements of them. Those making these statements often have come
> to learn them in the same way. Much the same as fables and Bible
> stories are passed down from generation to generation.
If he read Burke, he'd know he was describing himself -- and Burke actually
makes a virtue out of it.
<snip bullshit, which appears to have been made up on-the-fly>
> (One could argue that the average conservative is no less a pawn for
> those on the right. Yet, by definition, a conservative arrives at his
> beliefs through the process of critical thought.
Well, that leaves Gunner out...
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Ed Huntress
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Posted by Morton Davis on July 20, 2008, 9:05 pm
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> Except Idiotlogues are not thinkers. They are reciters, who recite
> conveniently, circularly, and dyslexically.
Like you? Garbage In - Garbage Out - From GARBAGE
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Posted by DrollTroll on July 20, 2008, 9:36 pm
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>>
>> Except Idiotlogues are not thinkers. They are reciters, who recite
>> conveniently, circularly, and dyslexically.
>
> Like you? Garbage In - Garbage Out - From GARBAGE
>
Let me guess: a Limbaugh groupie? A sympathetic pill head?
Oh, oh-- YOU failed Piaget's gradeschool cognition tests!!
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DT
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Posted by Gray Ghost on July 20, 2008, 11:35 pm
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>>
>>>
>>> Except Idiotlogues are not thinkers. They are reciters, who recite
>>> conveniently, circularly, and dyslexically.
>>
>> Like you? Garbage In - Garbage Out - From GARBAGE
>>
>
> Let me guess: a Limbaugh groupie? A sympathetic pill head?
> Oh, oh-- YOU failed Piaget's gradeschool cognition tests!!
And you must be a Kennedy groupie, sympathetic drunk and abuser of women.
Frank
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