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Posted by Lew Hartswick on May 13, 2008, 8:15 am
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Wes wrote:
> I've always considered the Republican party as a mix of Libertarian and
> Democrat lite.
> Wes
>
That sounds like a good description and lately they seem to be getting
more of the latter. :-(
...lew...
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Posted by John Kunkel on May 13, 2008, 2:58 pm
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>>>
>>> Barr announced his candidacy this morning.
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>>> A Libertarian and the only true conservative in the race.
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>> Nope, just another run-of-the-mill Neocon. Compare his stance on major
>> issues to those of a real "true Conservative" like the late Barry
>> Goldwater.
>
> You mean, like his stand favoring the right to abortion, or the one
> supporting gays in the military? ("Everyone knows that gays have served
> honorably in the military since at least the time of Julius Caesar.")
Are you saying Barr favors the right to an abortion? Hardly.
He recently changed his stance on gays in the military but remains opposed
to gay marriage.
> I dunno, John, but it doesn't sound much like a conservative. Maybe you
> have them mixed up with liberals?
Or maybe your definition of a Conservative is actually that of a Neocon.
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Posted by Ed Huntress on May 13, 2008, 3:15 pm
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>>>
>>>>
>>>> Barr announced his candidacy this morning.
>>>>
>>>> A Libertarian and the only true conservative in the race.
>>>
>>> Nope, just another run-of-the-mill Neocon. Compare his stance on major
>>> issues to those of a real "true Conservative" like the late Barry
>>> Goldwater.
>>
>> You mean, like his stand favoring the right to abortion, or the one
>> supporting gays in the military? ("Everyone knows that gays have served
>> honorably in the military since at least the time of Julius Caesar.")
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>
> Are you saying Barr favors the right to an abortion? Hardly.
> He recently changed his stance on gays in the military but remains opposed
> to gay marriage.
No, I was talking about Goldwater.
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>> I dunno, John, but it doesn't sound much like a conservative. Maybe you
>> have them mixed up with liberals?
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>
> Or maybe your definition of a Conservative is actually that of a Neocon.
Nope. You've got 26 flavors, but the big sellers are Neocon, Paleo, and
Libertarian with crushed nuts.
They don't make real conservatives anymore. The new flavors don't even know
who Edmund Burke was, fer chrissake.
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Ed Huntress
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Posted by David R. Birch on May 14, 2008, 12:24 am
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>>> I dunno, John, but it doesn't sound much like a conservative. Maybe you
>>> have them mixed up with liberals?
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>> Or maybe your definition of a Conservative is actually that of a Neocon.
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> Nope. You've got 26 flavors, but the big sellers are Neocon, Paleo, and
> Libertarian with crushed nuts.
>
> They don't make real conservatives anymore. The new flavors don't even know
> who Edmund Burke was, fer chrissake.
>
> --
> Ed Huntress
This seems to put libertarian on the liberal-conservative axis.
Libertarian is part of a separate axis, libertarian-authoritarian.
Most of the candidates of the Libertarian Party are libertarian right,
mostly concerned with conservative issues but not trusting in Big Guvment.
We libertarian lefties rarely present candidates because we're a RCH
away from anarchy... well, maybe anarcho-syndicalism.
David
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Posted by Ed Huntress on May 14, 2008, 6:46 am
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> Ed Huntress wrote:
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>>>> I dunno, John, but it doesn't sound much like a conservative. Maybe you
>>>> have them mixed up with liberals?
>>>
>>> Or maybe your definition of a Conservative is actually that of a Neocon.
>>
>> Nope. You've got 26 flavors, but the big sellers are Neocon, Paleo, and
>> Libertarian with crushed nuts.
>>
>> They don't make real conservatives anymore. The new flavors don't even
>> know who Edmund Burke was, fer chrissake.
>>
>> --
>> Ed Huntress
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> This seems to put libertarian on the liberal-conservative axis.
> Libertarian is part of a separate axis, libertarian-authoritarian. Most of
> the candidates of the Libertarian Party are libertarian right, mostly
> concerned with conservative issues but not trusting in Big Guvment.
>
> We libertarian lefties rarely present candidates because we're a RCH away
> from anarchy... well, maybe anarcho-syndicalism.
>
> David
I really wasn't thinking of axes, but since you mention it, yes, that's a
fair point. The Libertarian with Crushed Nuts is the one who thinks of
himself as a conservative but who takes a position that really is liberal
until he can't stand it anymore. He's opposed to government intrusion upon
the rights of individuals until he finds it too emotionally painful to carry
on. Abortion and gay rights in the military are telling issues, which is why
I quoted Barry Goldwater on those. That's a little too libertarian for most
self-styled libertarians.
But there are a few who go that far. Aside from the big/small government
issue, they're liberals in every other way. I think of the conservative
libertarians, on the other hand, as anarcho-capitalists with crushed nuts
and a bad hangover.
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Ed Huntress
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> Democrat lite.
> Wes
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