Re: Strength of materials question: square tube vs angle iron

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Re: Strength of materials question: square tube vs angle iron Don Foreman 04-14-2008
Posted by Don Foreman on April 14, 2008, 11:44 am
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On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:57:50 +0000 (UTC), falk@green.rahul.net (Edward
A. Falk) wrote:

>Hi all; about to start building a trailer. The trailer plans I
>bought from trailerplans.com call for 2"x3"x1/4" angle iron. I
>want to use steel tube instead. Can anybody give me an idea of what
>size steel tube would have the same strength? Is there somewhere
>this can be looked up?

2" x 3" x 1/8" rectangular tube should be as strong as 2" x 3" x 1/4"
angle and have about the same weight per foot.

Posted by Tim Wescott on April 14, 2008, 2:27 pm
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Don Foreman wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:57:50 +0000 (UTC), falk@green.rahul.net (Edward
> A. Falk) wrote:
>
>> Hi all; about to start building a trailer. The trailer plans I
>> bought from trailerplans.com call for 2"x3"x1/4" angle iron. I
>> want to use steel tube instead. Can anybody give me an idea of what
>> size steel tube would have the same strength? Is there somewhere
>> this can be looked up?
>
> 2" x 3" x 1/8" rectangular tube should be as strong as 2" x 3" x 1/4"
> angle and have about the same weight per foot.

Actually it'll likely be stiffer in bending and way stiffer in twist.
It'll have less strength at any one weld 'cause you're going into 1/8
inch of material instead of 1/4 inch, although that could be overcome
with gussets if necessary.

If the trailer is designed to have a stiff chassis and well-sprung
wheels it'll probably be better with the tube; if the trailer needs to
have some flex in the chassis (unlikely if it's remotely normal) then
the stiffer tubing plus weaker welds may tear it apart over time.

Chances are the thing was designed for angle iron because the folks
doing the plans felt that'd be easiest to build, and because for a lot
of things 'easy' is better than 'absolute optimal weight/strength ratio'.

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Posted by Don Foreman on April 15, 2008, 12:43 pm
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On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 04:15:26 +0000 (UTC), falk@green.rahul.net (Edward
A. Falk) wrote:

>>
>>Chances are the thing was designed for angle iron because the folks
>>doing the plans felt that'd be easiest to build, and because for a lot
>>of things 'easy' is better than 'absolute optimal weight/strength ratio'.
>
>That was my guess. I'm just hoping to hear something like "2x2x1/8 will
>do fine"

You meant 2x3, right? It will do fine -- the only question is "do
what?". Some of the light utility trailers sold by Northern et al are
considerably less robust than this, as are many small boat trailers.
It depends on what load rating you need or want. It would "do fine"
for camping gear, a couple of bikes, a lawn mower, a few sheets of
plywood, etc.

I figure my 5 x 9 trailer made of 2 x 4 x 3/16 rect tube is good for
3000 lb with the limit being the tires rather than the frame. I've
never loaded it that heavily but I'm sure my neighbor has. We put a
3500 lb springset on it so it wouldn't bottom out with a good load.

Gussets and braces can add a lot of strength without adding much
weight. They also provide redundant welds.



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