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South Bend lathe phase change? Ted 03-13-2006
Posted by Ted on March 13, 2006, 8:58 pm
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I just bought an old South bend 16" lathe and am trying to decide on whether
to change the original 3 phase 2 HP motor to a single phase 2 or 3 HP
motor.

Can it be done without changing the power switch? Is it a good idea or
should I just get the phase converter. If I do go with a phase converter it
will be the one I saw in the Grizzly catalog. I think it's called a static
converter.

Any Thoughts or ideas on this to help steer me in the right direction will
be much appreciated.

Thanks,


Ted



Posted by wayne mak on March 14, 2006, 9:24 am
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The VFD is the best option for sure, next on the list would be a phase
converter that would be very inexpensive. To have the foward/reverse you
will need to rewire the switch, I have done it but it would be less time to
hook up a vfd or converter. One thing nice about the vfd is you can change
the speed on the fly, its a nice way to dial in the best cut speed.
> Ted wrote:
>> I just bought an old South bend 16" lathe and am trying to decide on
>> whether to change the original 3 phase 2 HP motor to a single phase
>> 2 or 3 HP motor.
>>
>> Can it be done without changing the power switch? Is it a good idea or
>> should I just get the phase converter. If I do go with a phase
>> converter it will be the one I saw in the Grizzly catalog. I think
>> it's called a static converter.
>>
>> Any Thoughts or ideas on this to help steer me in the right direction
>> will be much appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Ted
>
> I would agree with Pete C. and get a VFD from Dealers Electric (or any
> place else you trust). I just converted my single phase SB11" to three
> phase with a VFD and I am a happy camper. If you search Google you'll
> find my post about how well Dealers Electric treated me - good folks.
>
> Peter
>



Posted by George Willer on March 14, 2006, 5:06 pm
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There's always a contrary opinion. My 13" South Bend was 3 ph when I bought
it and I replaced the motor with a 2 HP 240V single phase and used the
original relays for control. The only difference from the original 3 PH is
the lack of instant reverse. I've only been using it for 15 years or so, so
there may be drawbacks I haven't found yet.

George Willer

> The VFD is the best option for sure, next on the list would be a phase
> converter that would be very inexpensive. To have the foward/reverse you
> will need to rewire the switch, I have done it but it would be less time
> to hook up a vfd or converter. One thing nice about the vfd is you can
> change the speed on the fly, its a nice way to dial in the best cut speed.
>> Ted wrote:
>>> I just bought an old South bend 16" lathe and am trying to decide on
>>> whether to change the original 3 phase 2 HP motor to a single phase
>>> 2 or 3 HP motor.
>>>
>>> Can it be done without changing the power switch? Is it a good idea or
>>> should I just get the phase converter. If I do go with a phase
>>> converter it will be the one I saw in the Grizzly catalog. I think
>>> it's called a static converter.
>>>
>>> Any Thoughts or ideas on this to help steer me in the right direction
>>> will be much appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>> Ted
>>
>> I would agree with Pete C. and get a VFD from Dealers Electric (or any
>> place else you trust). I just converted my single phase SB11" to three
>> phase with a VFD and I am a happy camper. If you search Google you'll
>> find my post about how well Dealers Electric treated me - good folks.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>
>



Posted by wayne mak on March 14, 2006, 5:35 pm
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Thats good, I have had to rewire the tumbler on the ones I have changed.
> There's always a contrary opinion. My 13" South Bend was 3 ph when I
> bought it and I replaced the motor with a 2 HP 240V single phase and used
> the original relays for control. The only difference from the original 3
> PH is the lack of instant reverse. I've only been using it for 15 years
> or so, so there may be drawbacks I haven't found yet.
>
> George Willer
>
>> The VFD is the best option for sure, next on the list would be a phase
>> converter that would be very inexpensive. To have the foward/reverse you
>> will need to rewire the switch, I have done it but it would be less time
>> to hook up a vfd or converter. One thing nice about the vfd is you can
>> change the speed on the fly, its a nice way to dial in the best cut
>> speed.
>>> Ted wrote:
>>>> I just bought an old South bend 16" lathe and am trying to decide on
>>>> whether to change the original 3 phase 2 HP motor to a single phase
>>>> 2 or 3 HP motor.
>>>>
>>>> Can it be done without changing the power switch? Is it a good idea or
>>>> should I just get the phase converter. If I do go with a phase
>>>> converter it will be the one I saw in the Grizzly catalog. I think
>>>> it's called a static converter.
>>>>
>>>> Any Thoughts or ideas on this to help steer me in the right direction
>>>> will be much appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ted
>>>
>>> I would agree with Pete C. and get a VFD from Dealers Electric (or any
>>> place else you trust). I just converted my single phase SB11" to three
>>> phase with a VFD and I am a happy camper. If you search Google you'll
>>> find my post about how well Dealers Electric treated me - good folks.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Posted by Pete C. on March 15, 2006, 8:08 am
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George Willer wrote:
>
> There's always a contrary opinion. My 13" South Bend was 3 ph when I bought
> it and I replaced the motor with a 2 HP 240V single phase and used the
> original relays for control. The only difference from the original 3 PH is
> the lack of instant reverse. I've only been using it for 15 years or so, so
> there may be drawbacks I haven't found yet.
>
> George Willer
>

I think the point is that the economics have changed to the point where
a new inexpensive VFD is in the same range as a new motor or a
commercial phase converter. If you have to spend real money to buy a new
single phase motor or buy a phase converter, you are better off spending
nearly the same amount of money on an inexpensive VFD and getting some
extra capabilities. If you can find a cheap used single phase motor or
build a phase converter from scrap parts then the economics are
different.

Pete C.

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