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Posted by Terry Keeley on May 7, 2008, 8:40 pm
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Sure will thanks!
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>> Having the fin as thin as possible is the most important, then weight and
>> strength. Looks like a heat-treated Ti alloy is in fact the best choice,
>> other than some "unobtainium", LOL!
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>> Thanks again for all your help, my goal is to travel our 330' course in
>> 1.8 sec!
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> Well, good luck. Let us know how you do with it.
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Posted by Leon Fisk on May 8, 2008, 2:45 pm
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Guessing here, but maybe you are looking for Titanium-Nickel
alloy (TiNi)?
If I remember correctly that is what the bows are made of on
my glasses. You can bend them almost 90 deg and they will
spring back to their original shape. Here is some info from
a research project I found:
===
"Tensile Properties and Transformation Temperatures of Ti-Ni
Alloy Dental Castings Added Cu
Hisashi Doi, Equo Kobayashi, Takayuki Yoneyama and Hitoshi
Hamanaka
Department of Metallurgy, Division of Biomaterials,
Institute of Biomaterials and Bioengineering, Tokyo Medical
and Dental University
(2-3-10, Kanda-Surugadai, Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo 101-0062)
Original Paper: J J Dent Mate Vol. 20 No. 1 48-53 (2001)
Keyword: Titanium-nickel alloy, Superelasticity, Mechanical
properties
The application of the Ti-Ni base alloy to dentistry is
expected to utilize its shape memory effect and
super-elasticity properties. The transformation temperature
changes when part of the nickel in a Ti-Ni alloy is replaced
with copper. In this study, the super-elastic property of
Ti-Ni alloy in which part of the nickel was replaced with
10mol% of copper was investigated, and the application of
this alloy to dental casting was also examined. The results
of this study showed that the super-elasticity of dental
casted Ti-Ni-Cu alloy with 10mol% of replacement copper was
good and that this maybe a useful method of reducing the
quantity of nickel in Ti-Ni based alloy."
===
From Mat-world:
Titanium Nickel Alloy
TiNi Alloy
Ti-Ni (50:50 wt%)
Ingots, Wires, Sputtering Target, Sheet, Plate, Disk
http://www.mat-world.com/En_elements/ti.html
Maybe this is the stuff you are looking for or could use...
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Posted by Terry Keeley on May 9, 2008, 8:48 am
Please log in for more thread options Thanks for the reply, but no, I need to put a slight bend in it, just need
it to be stronger than the annealed stuff I have.
Found out the "other" alloys (662, 6242, 6246) harden better than good 'ol
6-4, so I'm looking for something like this:
http://www.matweb.com/search/DataSheet.aspx?MatID=14246&ckck=1
Tensile way up there and quite a bit harder too. Turns out that finding
heat-treated Ti isn't that easy, most of the robot places and surplus on
e-bay only have annealed.
Anyone have any idea where to fin a small amount of 0.025-0.030" hardened
sheet?
TIA
> Guessing here, but maybe you are looking for Titanium-Nickel
> alloy (TiNi)?
>
> If I remember correctly that is what the bows are made of on
> my glasses. You can bend them almost 90 deg and they will
> spring back to their original shape. Here is some info from
> a research project I found:
>
> ===
> "Tensile Properties and Transformation Temperatures of Ti-Ni
> Alloy Dental Castings Added Cu
>
> Hisashi Doi, Equo Kobayashi, Takayuki Yoneyama and Hitoshi
> Hamanaka
>
> Department of Metallurgy, Division of Biomaterials,
> Institute of Biomaterials and Bioengineering, Tokyo Medical
> and Dental University
> (2-3-10, Kanda-Surugadai, Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo 101-0062)
> Original Paper: J J Dent Mate Vol. 20 No. 1 48-53 (2001)
> Keyword: Titanium-nickel alloy, Superelasticity, Mechanical
> properties
>
> The application of the Ti-Ni base alloy to dentistry is
> expected to utilize its shape memory effect and
> super-elasticity properties. The transformation temperature
> changes when part of the nickel in a Ti-Ni alloy is replaced
> with copper. In this study, the super-elastic property of
> Ti-Ni alloy in which part of the nickel was replaced with
> 10mol% of copper was investigated, and the application of
> this alloy to dental casting was also examined. The results
> of this study showed that the super-elasticity of dental
> casted Ti-Ni-Cu alloy with 10mol% of replacement copper was
> good and that this maybe a useful method of reducing the
> quantity of nickel in Ti-Ni based alloy."
> ===
>
> From Mat-world:
>
> Titanium Nickel Alloy
> TiNi Alloy
> Ti-Ni (50:50 wt%)
> Ingots, Wires, Sputtering Target, Sheet, Plate, Disk
>
> http://www.mat-world.com/En_elements/ti.html
>
> Maybe this is the stuff you are looking for or could use...
>
> --
> Leon Fisk
> Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
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Posted by Leon Fisk on May 9, 2008, 2:47 pm
Please log in for more thread options On Fri, 9 May 2008 08:48:28 -0400, "Terry Keeley" <tkee(no
spam)@rogers.com> wrote:
>Thanks for the reply, but no, I need to put a slight bend in it, just need
>it to be stronger than the annealed stuff I have.
>
>Found out the "other" alloys (662, 6242, 6246) harden better than good 'ol
>6-4, so I'm looking for something like this:
>
> http://www.matweb.com/search/DataSheet.aspx?MatID=14246&ckck=1
>
>Tensile way up there and quite a bit harder too. Turns out that finding
>heat-treated Ti isn't that easy, most of the robot places and surplus on
>e-bay only have annealed.
>
>Anyone have any idea where to fin a small amount of 0.025-0.030" hardened
>sheet?
No idea, but I would try being honest with some of the big
suppliers and see if they might help. Just send out some
email explaining what you what to try and the application
for it and see what happens. Sometimes these places will
help the little guy out.
I found this place that seems to have something like what
you want:
http://www.harveytitanium.com/productline/6Al2Sn4Zr2Mo.aspx
I think this place is related to the previous:
http://www.rolledalloys.com/trc/6Al2Sn4Zr2Mo.aspx
and a ThomasNet search:
http://www.thomasnet.com/products/forgings-aircraft-aerospace-30870257-1.html
Good luck...
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Posted by Terry Keeley on May 9, 2008, 11:56 pm
Please log in for more thread options Thanks much, I did look at Harvey Titanium and may just make some calls...
> On Fri, 9 May 2008 08:48:28 -0400, "Terry Keeley" <tkee(no
> spam)@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>>Thanks for the reply, but no, I need to put a slight bend in it, just need
>>it to be stronger than the annealed stuff I have.
>>
>>Found out the "other" alloys (662, 6242, 6246) harden better than good 'ol
>>6-4, so I'm looking for something like this:
>>
>> http://www.matweb.com/search/DataSheet.aspx?MatID=14246&ckck=1
>>
>>Tensile way up there and quite a bit harder too. Turns out that finding
>>heat-treated Ti isn't that easy, most of the robot places and surplus on
>>e-bay only have annealed.
>>
>>Anyone have any idea where to fin a small amount of 0.025-0.030" hardened
>>sheet?
>
> No idea, but I would try being honest with some of the big
> suppliers and see if they might help. Just send out some
> email explaining what you what to try and the application
> for it and see what happens. Sometimes these places will
> help the little guy out.
>
> I found this place that seems to have something like what
> you want:
>
> http://www.harveytitanium.com/productline/6Al2Sn4Zr2Mo.aspx
>
> I think this place is related to the previous:
>
> http://www.rolledalloys.com/trc/6Al2Sn4Zr2Mo.aspx
>
> and a ThomasNet search:
>
> http://www.thomasnet.com/products/forgings-aircraft-aerospace-30870257-1.html
>
> Good luck...
>
> --
> Leon Fisk
> Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
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