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Posted by DoN. Nichols on May 4, 2008, 9:08 pm
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>> On Sat, 03 May 2008 04:07:16 +0000, DoN. Nichols wrote:
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>> >><http://books.google.com/books?id=SkdSAAAAMAAJ&pg=RA8-PA36&lpg=RA8-PA36&d
>> >> q=gooseneck+tool+lathe&source=web&ots=edrQWKc6hu&sig=QsKeq0Vn7zebOdjC5ydY
>> >> KtuqnkA&hl=en#PRA8-PA35,M1>
>> >
>> > Hmm ... I don't think that I'm going to bother cut-and-pasting
>> > all three chunks of that URL. I know the tool anyway, and see them
>> > occasionally on eBay auctions.
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>> The "Download PDF - 36.3M" link on that page fetches a pdf file
>> with 1100-odd scanned pages from what appear to be pamphlets #41
>> through 110 of Machinery's Reference Series, ca. 1908-1913.
>
> That's right.
1122 pages worth of them :-)
>> Also, regarding cut-and-paste of broken-up URL's like that,
>> I usually highlight the whole mess, paste it into Firefox's
>> URL box, then delete the return characters to fix it, as
>> opposed to cutting and pasting three separate parts.
>
> The cut&paste exercise is not necessary if the poster provided the start
> and end brackets needed by the newsreader (or email client) to know
> exactly what is the URL string.
>
> I do provide those brackets, so when you see something like
> "<http://www.whatever.com/stuff>", just click on it, even if it wrapped
> to multiple lines. It's the < and > that do the job.
That only works in a newsreader which is designed and configured
to directly invoke a web brower -- or which is part of a web browser.
It does not work in mine, and that is the way I want it -- so a
malicious URL can't be accessed without my active participation. And
yes, I *have* seen malicious URLS in usenet articles.
> The exception is when the URL is in a quoted message, and so extra quote
> mark characters have been inserted.
Or -- when you are using a system which is not configured to do
it, as I am. I *think* that I could configure this newsreader (slrn) to
do it, but I will not.
Enjoy,
DoN.
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Posted by Joseph Gwinn on May 5, 2008, 10:05 am
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> >> On Sat, 03 May 2008 04:07:16 +0000, DoN. Nichols wrote:
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> [ ... ]
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> >> >><http://books.google.com/books?id=SkdSAAAAMAAJ&pg=RA8-PA36&lpg=RA8-PA36&d
> >> >> q=gooseneck+tool+lathe&source=web&ots=edrQWKc6hu&sig=QsKeq0Vn7zebOdjC5yd
> >> >> Y
> >> >> KtuqnkA&hl=en#PRA8-PA35,M1>
> >> >
> >> > Hmm ... I don't think that I'm going to bother cut-and-pasting
> >> > all three chunks of that URL. I know the tool anyway, and see them
> >> > occasionally on eBay auctions.
>
> [ ... ]
>
> >> The "Download PDF - 36.3M" link on that page fetches a pdf file
> >> with 1100-odd scanned pages from what appear to be pamphlets #41
> >> through 110 of Machinery's Reference Series, ca. 1908-1913.
> >
> > That's right.
>
> 1122 pages worth of them :-)
Also right. I wonder if anyone offers this on CDs.
> >> Also, regarding cut-and-paste of broken-up URL's like that,
> >> I usually highlight the whole mess, paste it into Firefox's
> >> URL box, then delete the return characters to fix it, as
> >> opposed to cutting and pasting three separate parts.
> >
> > The cut&paste exercise is not necessary if the poster provided the start
> > and end brackets needed by the newsreader (or email client) to know
> > exactly what is the URL string.
> >
> > I do provide those brackets, so when you see something like
> > "<http://www.whatever.com/stuff>", just click on it, even if it wrapped
> > to multiple lines. It's the < and > that do the job.
>
> That only works in a newsreader which is designed and configured
> to directly invoke a web brower -- or which is part of a web browser.
> It does not work in mine, and that is the way I want it -- so a
> malicious URL can't be accessed without my active participation. And
> yes, I *have* seen malicious URLS in usenet articles.
>
> > The exception is when the URL is in a quoted message, and so extra quote
> > mark characters have been inserted.
>
> Or -- when you are using a system which is not configured to do
> it, as I am. I *think* that I could configure this newsreader (slrn) to
> do it, but I will not.
What's wrong with newsreaders that correctly handle URLs? If one is not
on Windows, there is little danger from URLs.
Joe Gwinn
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Posted by DoN. Nichols on May 6, 2008, 1:17 am
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>> > The exception is when the URL is in a quoted message, and so extra quote
>> > mark characters have been inserted.
>>
>> Or -- when you are using a system which is not configured to do
>> it, as I am. I *think* that I could configure this newsreader (slrn) to
>> do it, but I will not.
>
> What's wrong with newsreaders that correctly handle URLs? If one is not
> on Windows, there is little danger from URLs.
Little does not translate into *no* danger. :-)
So much of the web wants javascript enabled, or flash, or lots
of other things. I don't trust those, and have them turned off except
for sites which I trust -- and that does not mean that they won't get
cracked and malicious HTML installed.
I like to look at the URL, perhaps run a whois on the domain,
and various other checks before deciding to go to the site. If it is
set up to respond to a click, I could wind up visiting one which I don't
care for because one of my cats hopped into my lap and nudged my hand
thus pressing the mouse button at just the wrong time. (Aside from the
mouse (actually a trackball) falling off the arm of the chair and
bumping the buttons in falling.
So -- the most that a mouse click in my newsreader can do is to
highlight some text and perhaps copy it into the clip buffer. :-) I've
got to bring up another window, and type a command line before I get to
a web site.
Call me paranoid. :-)
Enjoy,
DoN.
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Posted by Joseph Gwinn on May 6, 2008, 9:04 am
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>
> [ ... ]
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> >> > The exception is when the URL is in a quoted message, and so extra quote
> >> > mark characters have been inserted.
> >>
> >> Or -- when you are using a system which is not configured to do
> >> it, as I am. I *think* that I could configure this newsreader (slrn) to
> >> do it, but I will not.
> >
> > What's wrong with newsreaders that correctly handle URLs? If one is not
> > on Windows, there is little danger from URLs.
>
> Little does not translate into *no* danger. :-)
>
> So much of the web wants javascript enabled, or flash, or lots
> of other things. I don't trust those, and have them turned off except
> for sites which I trust -- and that does not mean that they won't get
> cracked and malicious HTML installed.
>
> I like to look at the URL, perhaps run a whois on the domain,
> and various other checks before deciding to go to the site. If it is
> set up to respond to a click, I could wind up visiting one which I don't
> care for because one of my cats hopped into my lap and nudged my hand
> thus pressing the mouse button at just the wrong time. (Aside from the
> mouse (actually a trackball) falling off the arm of the chair and
> bumping the buttons in falling.
>
> So -- the most that a mouse click in my newsreader can do is to
> highlight some text and perhaps copy it into the clip buffer. :-) I've
> got to bring up another window, and type a command line before I get to
> a web site.
>
> Call me paranoid. :-)
Yes. I think that the cost of security provisions have now much
exceeded the cost of cleaning up the occasional problem. Unix and Linux
boxes are pretty much immune to actual attacks seen in the wild.
All computers are vulnerable to attack by a skilled human, so if one is
targeted by name, security is very difficult to achieve. However, if
the threat is automated attack on random computers, avoidance of Windows
pretty much solves the problem.
Said another way, a Mac or Unix/Linux box behind a hardware firewall (or
on dialup) is pretty safe.
Joe Gwinn
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Posted by DoN. Nichols on May 4, 2008, 8:59 pm
Please log in for more thread options > On Sat, 03 May 2008 04:07:16 +0000, DoN. Nichols wrote:
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>>><http://books.google.com/books?id=SkdSAAAAMAAJ&pg=RA8-PA36&lpg=RA8-PA36&d
>>> q=gooseneck+tool+lathe&source=web&ots=edrQWKc6hu&sig=QsKeq0Vn7zebOdjC5ydY
>>> KtuqnkA&hl=en#PRA8-PA35,M1>
>>
>> Hmm ... I don't think that I'm going to bother cut-and-pasting
>> all three chunks of that URL. I know the tool anyway, and see them
>> occasionally on eBay auctions.
> ...
>
> Just for reference, here's a working link to the same page, with
> non-essential parts (ie, the last two-thirds) cut away:
> http://books.google.com/books?id=SkdSAAAAMAAJ&pg=RA8-PA36
O.K. That (the full PDF) is dowloading as I type.
> The "Download PDF - 36.3M" link on that page fetches a pdf file
> with 1100-odd scanned pages from what appear to be pamphlets #41
> through 110 of Machinery's Reference Series, ca. 1908-1913.
O.K. Possibly other intersting things in there, then.
> Also, regarding cut-and-paste of broken-up URL's like that,
> I usually highlight the whole mess, paste it into Firefox's
> URL box, then delete the return characters to fix it, as
> opposed to cutting and pasting three separate parts.
O.K. But I normally don't have Opera up and running, so I
invoke it by a script "op" which does a cd to a place where I tend to
save things, then invokes opera via the URL which I cut-and-pasted into
the comand line -- and the command line sees the newlines as end of a
command line and the start of another, which of course fails to reach
the place desired and then tries to interpret the other two as separate
commands, which also normally fail. :-) So I have to cut and paste it
one line at a time, and surround the whole thing with double quotes to
keep any stray '?', '%' or similar characters with special meanings to
the shell from having those meanings.
Obviously, if I used a web brower for a newsreader I wouldn't
have this -- but I would have other possible problems.
Thanks,
DoN.
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