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Posted by Bruce L. Bergman on April 4, 2008, 5:39 pm
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On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:23:06 -0500, Ignoramus20845
>http://cgi.ebay.com/UTILITY-TRAILER_W0QQitemZ290217745823QQihZ019QQcategoryZ95495QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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>Very smart concept.
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"Bill of sale only" - my translation WARNING: He doesn't have a
title slip, and may not have clear title. Do a little Caveat Emptor
and find out for sure before spending money...
Other than that, a drop bed trailer. I've seen them done better,
and with less risky drop suspension designs.
--<< Bruce >>--
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Posted by Greg O on April 4, 2008, 10:30 pm
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> On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:23:06 -0500, Ignoramus20845
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>>http://cgi.ebay.com/UTILITY-TRAILER_W0QQitemZ290217745823QQihZ019QQcategoryZ95495QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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>>Very smart concept.
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>>i
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> "Bill of sale only" - my translation WARNING: He doesn't have a
> title slip, and may not have clear title. Do a little Caveat Emptor
> and find out for sure before spending money...
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Many states do not require a title for a utility trailer. You state laws may
vary!
Greg
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Posted by Bruce L. Bergman on April 5, 2008, 5:37 pm
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>> On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:23:06 -0500, Ignoramus20845
>>>http://cgi.ebay.com/UTILITY-TRAILER_W0QQitemZ290217745823QQihZ019QQcategoryZ95495QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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>>>Very smart concept.
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>> "Bill of sale only" - my translation WARNING: He doesn't have a
>> title slip, and may not have clear title. Do a little Caveat Emptor
>> and find out for sure before spending money...
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>Many states do not require a title for a utility trailer. You state laws may
>vary!
You cause the State to generate and issue a Certificate of Title and
a state-assigned VIN when you register a homemade trailer and present
receipts/bills of sale for the axle and other major components.
And you cause the State to generate and issue a Certificate of Title
when you register a factory built trailer and present a receipt or BOS
for the purchase of the trailer, the trailer manufacturer is supposed
to have already assigned a VIN number per Federal MVSS - and judging
from the maker's decals on the tailgate that's a factory made trailer.
This is all spelled out in interstate compacts on motor vehicle
registration and titling, drivers licenses, etc. All states do it
roughly the same way so a drivers license, vehicle registration or
Certificate Of Title from one state can be automatically accepted in
all states. Otherwise the paperwork you'd need to generate when you
make a simple move across state lines would be frightening.
Now if that trailer was operated off-road only and never titled and
registered for the road, or the seller was in a state that didn't
require registration of utility trailers (highly doubtful there are
many left, that's revenue they are throwing away) I can see where it
could be perfectly legit selling it without a proper title. But the
seller would have a BOS from the trailer builder (or sales lot) to
him, and more receipts if he wasn't the original buyer... Just a
single BOS from the 'seller in possession to you would not be enough
IMHO, there is no chain of custody proven.
It's still a big red flag that requires further investigation before
you send them a cashiers check. It's trivial to steal a trailer and
warm up Photoshop to generate a fake bill of sale.
You pay your money for the trailer in good faith and go to register
it, and the VIN number comes up as stolen on the other side of the
country. Say bye-bye to your money, and probably the trailer too.
--<< Bruce >>--
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Posted by on April 5, 2008, 7:36 pm
Please log in for more thread options On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 14:37:34 -0700, Bruce L. Bergman
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> You pay your money for the trailer in good faith and go to register
>it, and the VIN number comes up as stolen on the other side of the
>country. Say bye-bye to your money, and probably the trailer too.
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> --<< Bruce >>--
The same is true of a car. In Ontario there is something known as a
"sellers kit" that MUST be provided, theoretically by the seller, to
prove the ownership history of a "motor vehicle". In practice, the
buyer often pays the $20 to get it - and I would before putting money
down on a vehicle.
I HAVE bought vehicles without title in the past, before the sellers
kit came into existance, and there is a bit of red tape involved.
As for trailers in Ontario, they DO require registration, but the
plate is valid for the life of the original owner. HomeMade traler?
You just sign a statement that you built it (or had it built) and it
is registered.
You buy an old trailer with no title? You fix it up and register it as
a homebuilt if the stick-on serial number tag is no longer there.
Buy a "trailer kit" from Walmart or wherever?
Bolt it together and register it as whatever the label says, or weld
it together with some modifications, peel off the sticker and register
it as homebuilt.
With the used trailer, do your due dilligence and if the deal smells
walk away - because if they can prove it is stolen, you are DONE.
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Posted by Ignoramus14041 on April 5, 2008, 7:50 pm
Please log in for more thread options I once bought a boat on trailer at an estate sale. The boat was 12 ft,
IIRC, in a good shape but it was not anything of real value. I paid
$120.
http://igor.chudov.com/projects/12-foot-Starcraft-Seafarer/
Due to my naivety, I accepted the seller's excuses for not having a
title and bought the boat. I do not suspect any foul play, the money
involved does not warrant any fraud, the story was that the deceased
did not leave a title that the heirs could find.
What I then found, was that I had to get a title for it and the
trailer (a vehicle in IL). Otherwise it would not be registered and I
could get fined for operating an unregistered boat.
Finding out how to get titles was very painful and in the end, after
about a year I realized that it would be an endless nightmare and
maybe $200 in fees by the time I am done, if ever.
I ended up selling it to someone else, with full explanation for not
having a title, for just $300. (considering that I also bought oars it
was not much of a profit)
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