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fa: ionized air anyone? Bill Noble 02-07-2010
Posted by Beryl on February 9, 2010, 5:46 pm
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doc wrote:
>> Bill Noble wrote:
>>> Picked this unit up for a filter that was attached to it - perhaps some
>>> of you folks need super clean ionized air?
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300394900716
>> I had an Ionic Breeze air purifier. It killed my parakeets.
>
> Ozone is known to be toxic. And I gather that birds do have more
> sensitive lungs. Some info here: http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww23ev.htm
> You can dig around for more.

I did find info about ozone and birds, after it was too late. The paper
included with the poison gas emitter only briefly mentioned ozone (about
one sentence) as causing the clean fresh smell after a thunderstorm.

> I use this style of air purifier to get rid of foul :-) smells
> mainly.
> Does a great job. Just wouldn't want to have any living critters
> in the room when the machine is pumping ozone.

Same room, only about 10 feet between their cage and the death machine.
Thanks so much, Sharper Image.

Whoever buys Bill's unit, DON'T breathe the output.


> DOC
> Something about robots...
> http://www.robot-one.com

Posted by Bill Noble on February 9, 2010, 9:34 pm
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snip
>
> Whoever buys Bill's unit, DON'T breathe the output.
>
>

since this unit is intended for blowing off stuff in a clean room, I suppose
one might assume that the end user will use it for it's intended purpose
rather than as a component in a breathing apparatus.


Posted by Beryl on February 9, 2010, 10:37 pm
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Bill Noble wrote:
> snip
>>
>> Whoever buys Bill's unit, DON'T breathe the output.
>>
>>
>
> since this unit is intended for blowing off stuff in a clean room, I
> suppose one might assume that the end user will use it for it's intended
> purpose rather than as a component in a breathing apparatus.

Should the end user don an oxygen mask if he's blowing off stuff all day
for $10 an hour?
I used my Ionic Breeze for its intended purpose too.

Posted by Steve Ackman on February 10, 2010, 12:52 am
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Tue, 9 Feb 2010 05:52:10 -0800 (PST), doc, doc@sympatico.ca wrote:

> Ozone is known to be toxic.

Everything is known to be toxic. It's all in the
concentration and/or dose.

The auction says this produces 1 part ozone per
BILLION parts of air 18" from the gun @ 15 psi... a
meaningless spec as far as actual O₃ production is
concerned unless you want to do a bunch of math, but
somewhat relevant as far as the units for OSHA limits.
OSHA says you can work for 8 hours in an environment
with 100 times that concentration.

Ozone generators I've owned generally spec O₃
production in grams (or hundreds of milligrams) per
hour. Concentration depends on volume of air in the
room and how fast the ozone breaks down into O₂ again.

> I use this style of air purifier to get rid of foul :-) smells
> mainly.

I once tried using it to kill off mildew in a travel
trailer. Ran a 400mg/hr unit for several days. It
wasn't enough. The trailer smelled nice immediately
following treatment, but a few days later, the mildew
smell returned.

> Does a great job. Just wouldn't want to have any living critters
> in the room when the machine is pumping ozone.

Doesn't harm living critters of variety dog, cat, or
human.

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Posted by Beryl on February 10, 2010, 1:38 am
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Steve Ackman wrote:

>> Does a great job. Just wouldn't want to have any living critters
>> in the room when the machine is pumping ozone.
>
> Doesn't harm living critters of variety dog, cat, or
> human.

The EPA says you're wrong.
http://epa.gov/iaq/pubs/ozonegen.html

"Relatively low amounts can cause chest pain, coughing, shortness of
breath, and throat irritation. Ozone may also worsen chronic respiratory
diseases such as asthma and compromise the ability of the body to fight
respiratory infections."


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