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security sensor needed for garage door Randy 06-16-2008
Posted by John L. Weatherly on June 17, 2008, 9:03 am
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Randy wrote:

> My shop has no windows so on nice days I like to keep the overhead
> door open. Well some kid watched me welding for awhile then decided
> it was safe - snuck in and stole my laptop computer that was connected
> to my CNC mill.
>
> Got him on video, filed a police report.
>
> I need some kind of photocell and beam across the doorway to alert me
> if anyone walks in. Can garage door safety beams be used? I have a
> couple of friends that can wire up or build me a circuit to make them
> work, I just don't know how the work, is there a NO or NC output on
> those? I was told you cannot just jumper them out, so I'm thinking
> it's more like a signal output rather than a switch closure output.
>
> Thank You,
> Randy
>
> Remove 333 from email address to reply.

I have the exact same problem, being in downtown Nashville a few blocks from
the homeless mission. I call my alarm "bum alert". I have an infrared
beam with a NO output sending power to a VERY audible chime. The beams are
placed just inside the overhead door at 24" high. I have a bypass switch
so I can kill it while backing in a trailer or other such blockage. The
trick is placing the chime far enough away from the beams that the average
person can't tell where the trigger is.

Before I had mine installed, I would turn around and have a bum three feet
behind me wanting a handout. More than a few times. I have had people try
to jump it, but most of the time they trip it.

Here are the beams I use:
http://tinyurl.com/5rnnty

I had a set left over from a gate operator job. A security buddy flowed me
the chime and a power supply & I was set. Less hassle than a pooch.

Good luck.

John L. Weatherly

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Posted by Randy on June 17, 2008, 10:10 am
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>My shop has no windows so on nice days I like to keep the overhead
>door open. Well some kid watched me welding for awhile then decided
>it was safe - snuck in and stole my laptop computer that was connected
>to my CNC mill.
>
>Got him on video, filed a police report.
>
>I need some kind of photocell and beam across the doorway to alert me
>if anyone walks in. Can garage door safety beams be used? I have a
>couple of friends that can wire up or build me a circuit to make them
>work, I just don't know how the work, is there a NO or NC output on
>those? I was told you cannot just jumper them out, so I'm thinking
>it's more like a signal output rather than a switch closure output.
>
>Thank You,
>Randy
>
I might try one of these..

http://www.minute-man.com/acatalog/Security_Kits.html#a80_2d013

or more likely 2 of them mount hi/lo to make it hard to duck under. I
can mount this inside hidden by the door track. Anything outside I
would not trust.

anyone hear of minute-man?


>Remove 333 from email address to reply.
Thank You,
Randy

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Posted by Al Patrick on June 17, 2008, 4:17 pm
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Randy wrote:
> My shop has no windows so on nice days I like to keep the overhead
> door open. Well some kid watched me welding for awhile then decided
> it was safe - snuck in and stole my laptop computer that was connected
> to my CNC mill.
>
> Got him on video, filed a police report.
>
> I need some kind of photocell and beam across the doorway to alert me
> if anyone walks in. Can garage door safety beams be used? I have a
> couple of friends that can wire up or build me a circuit to make them
> work, I just don't know how the work, is there a NO or NC output on
> those? I was told you cannot just jumper them out, so I'm thinking
> it's more like a signal output rather than a switch closure output.
>
> Thank You,
> Randy

I know one place that uses an am or fm radio. When a person activates a trigger
(Opens
the door and finds themselves inside a small cubicle) the radio blares out at
about 120
db. - in the shop but well heard in the cubicle.

You can use many different triggers. The beam works fine but leaves a visible
trail in
dusty or smoky conditions. You may want to install one to give them something
to dance
around while they activate another one. :-)

A very simple motion sensor works well. You can rig a flood light sensor so
that a bulb
comes on or you can screw in a plug and have it activate the above mentioned
radio or
anything you can plug into that outlet. Sensor does not have to be mounted on
the flood
bulb set.

Personally, I'd use a couple different switches so they never know what or which
triggered
the notice or you may make them progressive. The first one could turn on a
light or
sound a small chime in the location you expect to be in. This one could
figuratively say,
"Someone just rounded the corner of the building." The next one could sound a
different
alarm and let you know their progression. The time lapse in between the two
would tell
you their approx. speed (sneaking, running, etc.) When they walk past a yellow
lined
do-not-enter area (or whatever you choose) you could make it sound like all
hell has
broken loose! This way they'd know that you knew! Bells, whistles, lights, the
works! :-)

It can be as simple or complex as you wish to make it. First, You need to know.
Second,
They need to know that you know. They could be casing the place for a return
when you're
not around. You can get auto dialers to call you or anyone else if the place is
entered
during certain periods of time. I know of one auto dialer that calls several
different
numbers and announces that a high level alarm has been triggered or that there
seems to
have been a bearing failure in a lift station - giving the identity of the
station.

Posted by Gunner Asch on June 17, 2008, 6:10 pm
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>Randy wrote:
>> My shop has no windows so on nice days I like to keep the overhead
>> door open. Well some kid watched me welding for awhile then decided
>> it was safe - snuck in and stole my laptop computer that was connected
>> to my CNC mill.
>>
>> Got him on video, filed a police report.
>>
>> I need some kind of photocell and beam across the doorway to alert me
>> if anyone walks in. Can garage door safety beams be used? I have a
>> couple of friends that can wire up or build me a circuit to make them
>> work, I just don't know how the work, is there a NO or NC output on
>> those? I was told you cannot just jumper them out, so I'm thinking
>> it's more like a signal output rather than a switch closure output.
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Randy
>
>I know one place that uses an am or fm radio. When a person activates a
trigger (Opens
>the door and finds themselves inside a small cubicle) the radio blares out at
about 120
>db. - in the shop but well heard in the cubicle.
>
>You can use many different triggers. The beam works fine but leaves a visible
trail in
>dusty or smoky conditions. You may want to install one to give them something
to dance
>around while they activate another one. :-)
>
>A very simple motion sensor works well. You can rig a flood light sensor so
that a bulb
>comes on or you can screw in a plug and have it activate the above mentioned
radio or
>anything you can plug into that outlet. Sensor does not have to be mounted on
the flood
>bulb set.
>
>Personally, I'd use a couple different switches so they never know what or
which triggered
>the notice or you may make them progressive. The first one could turn on a
light or
>sound a small chime in the location you expect to be in. This one could
figuratively say,
>"Someone just rounded the corner of the building." The next one could sound a
different
>alarm and let you know their progression. The time lapse in between the two
would tell
>you their approx. speed (sneaking, running, etc.) When they walk past a
yellow lined
>do-not-enter area (or whatever you choose) you could make it sound like all
hell has
>broken loose! This way they'd know that you knew! Bells, whistles, lights,
the works! :-)
>
>It can be as simple or complex as you wish to make it. First, You need to
know. Second,
>They need to know that you know. They could be casing the place for a return
when you're
>not around. You can get auto dialers to call you or anyone else if the place
is entered
>during certain periods of time. I know of one auto dialer that calls several
different
>numbers and announces that a high level alarm has been triggered or that there
seems to
>have been a bearing failure in a lift station - giving the identity of the
station.

http://cgi.ebay.com/WIRELESS1000-Optex-wireless-visitor-Annunciator-NIB_W0QQitemZ190229375542QQihZ009QQcategoryZ41969QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

crom...but its not rocket science.

ebay search on "optex" or 'door annunciator'

If worst comes to worst, drop me an email and i can probably come up
with a set or two of paired photo beams used in industry from my stuff


Gunner

at yoyodyne they were all veterans of the psychic wars
exiled from the eighth dimension where the winds of limbo roar"
             mariposa rand mair theal

Posted by DoN. Nichols on June 18, 2008, 12:19 am
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> You can use many different triggers. The beam works fine but leaves a visible
trail in
> dusty or smoky conditions. You may want to install one to give them something
to dance
> around while they activate another one. :-)

        Note that you can get infrared LEDs and sensors, so nobody can
see it -- without optical enhancement like night vison scopes. :-)

        And yes -- also put in a visible one to give them something to
try to work around. :-)

        Enjoy,
                DoN.

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