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Posted by adsum on April 12, 2008, 9:24 pm
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So here's the deal- I have some antique wood planes that I'll use- I
don't want to use the original 'irons' (metal scraper part) because
they are pitted & preserved for history's sake. I have cut some .125"
O-1 tool steel to function as the new irons.
Do I need to temper the steel? My so-called research has just left me
confused. I recognize that any steel is tougher than wood- but these
days modern wood plane's irons are sometimes cryogenically tempered.
I've used these & it makes me think of a ceramic material in use &
sharpening.
I don't need the high-falutin latest super process- just something
workable- that I can shave wood with & resharpen as needed.
Thanks for the education...Bob
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Posted by Mechanical Magic on April 12, 2008, 10:00 pm
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> So here's the deal- I have some antique wood planes that I'll use- I
> don't want to use the original 'irons' (metal scraper part) because
> they are pitted & preserved for history's sake. I have cut some .125"
> O-1 tool steel to function as the new irons.
> Do I need to temper the steel? My so-called research has just left me
> confused. I recognize that any steel is tougher than wood- but these
> days modern wood plane's irons are sometimes cryogenically tempered.
> I've used these & it makes me think of a ceramic material in use &
> sharpening.
> I don't need the high-falutin latest super process- just something
> workable- that I can shave wood with & resharpen as needed.
> Thanks for the education...Bob
Bob,
I have been told:
That a freshly hardened piece of tool steel has some very high
internal stresses.
If the tool is tempered, the stresses are allowed to releive somewhat.
If there is no stress relief, there is a significant chance of stress
cracks.
Most hardening suggestions say to do the temper immediately.
I guess you need to weigh the cost of the tool vs the cost of
tempering.
In my case I just wait until the kiln is down to tempering temp, reset
the control, and kill it an hour later. Almost no cost.
Dave
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Posted by on April 12, 2008, 10:53 pm
Please log in for more thread options > So here's the deal- I have some antique wood planes that I'll use- I
> don't want to use the original 'irons' (metal scraper part) because
> they are pitted & preserved for history's sake. I have cut some .125"
> O-1 tool steel to function as the new irons.
> =A0Do I need to temper the steel? My so-called research has just left me
> confused. I recognize that any steel is tougher than wood- but these
> days modern wood plane's irons are sometimes cryogenically tempered.
> I've used these & it makes me think of a ceramic material in use &
> sharpening.
> =A0 I don't need the high-falutin latest super process- just something
> workable- that I can shave wood with & resharpen as needed.
> =A0 Thanks for the education...Bob
O-1 is supplied in an annealed condition, you'll need to harden and
temper your blades if you want to use them for cutting anything. You
should have gotten a sheet with hardening instructions with the steel
or they should be on the manufacturer's web site. O-1 is pretty easy
to harden, for cutting tools, you can temper in your oven, I have used
an electric fry pan for die buttons. Quench in oil, motor oil WILL
work, it's smoky, do it outside. You only need to quench after
hardening, after tempering, just let it cool if you're doing it in an
oven. You'll probably have a time keeping your blades flat when
quenching, they'll want to warp.
If you use a torch to heat the blades up for hardening, you're going
to get a lot of scale, welding suppliers and knife making suppliers
will have some anti-scale paste. You don't want to final sharpen
before hardening, put on the bevel, though. One method of hardening
is to make a plate with a handle on it, put your blade on it and heat
it from the bottom to redness. Use a magnet to determine when it's
hot enough, it won't stick. With thick pieces, it takes time for the
crystal structure to change so those are best done in an oven by the
manufacturer's directions. Thin sections can be done with a torch if
you don't mind the scale cleanup. There are a lot of old-timey
blacksmith receipes for tempering by color, you CAN do it that way,
but since you'd only be applying the heat for a very short time, you
won't be getting the full benefit of the steel. Again, it takes time
for the crystal structure to change, best do it in the oven,
particularly since you're going to want things hard and that will take
the lower end of the tempering range. Those old-time charts were for
pure carbon steel, not alloyed stuff like we have today. They work,
after a fashion.
I'm sure you know that there are plane blades are available for those
oldies from the wookworkers' suppliers, I'm not sure that making your
own is any cheaper these days. If you're doing blades for molding
planes, then that's different.
Stan
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Posted by on April 12, 2008, 11:21 pm
Please log in for more thread options > So here's the deal- I have some antique wood planes that I'll use- I
> don't want to use the original 'irons' (metal scraper part) because
> they are pitted & preserved for history's sake. I have cut some .125"
> O-1 tool steel to function as the new irons.
> Do I need to temper the steel? My so-called research has just left me
> confused. I recognize that any steel is tougher than wood- but these
> days modern wood plane's irons are sometimes cryogenically tempered.
> I've used these & it makes me think of a ceramic material in use &
> sharpening.
> I don't need the high-falutin latest super process- just something
> workable- that I can shave wood with & resharpen as needed.
> Thanks for the education...Bob
Why make it so complicated? - set one up, sharpen it, see how it goes.
THEN worry about it if needs be - lets face it, plane blades need
sharpening often if you want a nice clean cut, the tempering/hardening
process will just extend the time between the need for sharpening.
And if you plane blade is sharp enough, you should be able to do such
a fine cut you could read print through the shaving...
(No, I aint a woodworker, my cousin is and he gave me a tutorial on
the things....)
Andrew VK3BFA.
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Posted by Larry Jaques on April 13, 2008, 8:21 am
Please log in for more thread options On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 20:21:24 -0700 (PDT), with neither quill nor
qualm, vk3bfa@hotmail.com quickly quoth:
>> So here's the deal- I have some antique wood planes that I'll use- I
>> don't want to use the original 'irons' (metal scraper part) because
>> they are pitted & preserved for history's sake. I have cut some .125"
>> O-1 tool steel to function as the new irons.
>> Do I need to temper the steel? My so-called research has just left me
>> confused. I recognize that any steel is tougher than wood- but these
>> days modern wood plane's irons are sometimes cryogenically tempered.
>> I've used these & it makes me think of a ceramic material in use &
>> sharpening.
>> I don't need the high-falutin latest super process- just something
>> workable- that I can shave wood with & resharpen as needed.
>> Thanks for the education...Bob
>
>Why make it so complicated? - set one up, sharpen it, see how it goes.
>THEN worry about it if needs be - lets face it, plane blades need
>sharpening often if you want a nice clean cut, the tempering/hardening
>process will just extend the time between the need for sharpening.
>
>And if you plane blade is sharp enough, you should be able to do such
>a fine cut you could read print through the shaving...
>
>(No, I aint a woodworker, my cousin is and he gave me a tutorial on
>the things....)
Did he tell you about ScarySharp(tm), where you can't wave the
sharpened blade around too fast for fear of splitting atoms? ;)
The OP should look to Steve Knight or Ron Hock for blades. They've got
it right. http://www.knight-toolworks.com/ (I have a stable of his
planes.) http://www.hocktools.com/ (I have one of his irons in my
Stanley #65-1/2 plane and love it.) Both do cryo treating nowadays.
Hayseuss Crisco, don't look at his shellac prices. They're 5x what I
paid for Paddylac just short eons ago.
--
When love and skill work together, expect a miracle.
--John Ruskin (1819-1900)
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> don't want to use the original 'irons' (metal scraper part) because
> they are pitted & preserved for history's sake. I have cut some .125"
> O-1 tool steel to function as the new irons.
> Do I need to temper the steel? My so-called research has just left me
> confused. I recognize that any steel is tougher than wood- but these
> days modern wood plane's irons are sometimes cryogenically tempered.
> I've used these & it makes me think of a ceramic material in use &
> sharpening.
> I don't need the high-falutin latest super process- just something
> workable- that I can shave wood with & resharpen as needed.
> Thanks for the education...Bob