240v 3 phase in 415v 3 phase motor

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240v 3 phase in 415v 3 phase motor dm 04-17-2008
Posted by dm on April 17, 2008, 6:03 am
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This almost certainly been asked before - Can I run 240v 3 Phase in 415 3
phase motor providing a halving in power is ok for the application?

Derek



Posted by Mark Rand on April 17, 2008, 12:01 pm
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>This almost certainly been asked before - Can I run 240v 3 Phase in 415 3
>phase motor providing a halving in power is ok for the application?
>
>Derek
>


You can, but the normal technique would be to reconnect the motor from star to
delta, which would then give you a 240V three phase motor. Most dual voltage
motors will have a diagram in or on the terminal box (it will have 6 terminals
if it is rewirable)

If the motor has been build permanent star, the star point can sometimes be
found and separated so that the windings can be reconnected in delta.


Mark Rand
RTFM



Posted by dm on April 17, 2008, 12:17 pm
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Thanks
Alas these motors are permanent star -
Re butchering a permanent star to a delta
Since delta uses more current would the windings necessarily take the extra
current if I "hacked" it to a delta?

Derek

>
> >This almost certainly been asked before - Can I run 240v 3 Phase in 415 3
> >phase motor providing a halving in power is ok for the application?
> >
> >Derek
> >
>
>
> You can, but the normal technique would be to reconnect the motor from
star to
> delta, which would then give you a 240V three phase motor. Most dual
voltage
> motors will have a diagram in or on the terminal box (it will have 6
terminals
> if it is rewirable)
>
> If the motor has been build permanent star, the star point can sometimes
be
> found and separated so that the windings can be reconnected in delta.
>
>
> Mark Rand
> RTFM
>
>
>



Posted by Mark Rand on April 17, 2008, 12:38 pm
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>
>Thanks
>Alas these motors are permanent star -
>Re butchering a permanent star to a delta
>Since delta uses more current would the windings necessarily take the extra
>current if I "hacked" it to a delta?
>
>Derek
>

The extra current comes because the windings are effectively in parallel
rather than in series. Same current and voltage for the windings but
SQRT 3 times the voltage and
1/SQRT 3 times the current
for the whole motor.


Mark Rand
RTFM

Posted by dm on April 18, 2008, 8:16 am
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>
> >
> >Thanks
> >Alas these motors are permanent star -
> >Re butchering a permanent star to a delta
> >Since delta uses more current would the windings necessarily take the
extra
> >current if I "hacked" it to a delta?
> >
> >Derek
> >
>
> The extra current comes because the windings are effectively in parallel
> rather than in series. Same current and voltage for the windings but
> SQRT 3 times the voltage and
> 1/SQRT 3 times the current
> for the whole motor.
>
>
> Mark Rand
> RTFM
of the 4 motors on the mill
one is dual voltage already (suds) one I have a cheap replacement (vertical)
,
one is overspec and i'm not in rush for (horizontal arbour). The crucial one
is the horizontal feed. for this I have found the star point and it "seems"
straight forward to connect up as delta. Is there a way to get the physical
orientation out of kilter with the electrical topology or will it all come
out in the direction of rotation?



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