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Flamefast CM350 update Charles Ping 06-29-2008
Posted by Charles Ping on June 29, 2008, 9:35 am
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This is just for the record.
Some of you may remember that I bought an ex-school Flamefast CM350
furnace from Manchester. After passng through many hands in a
transport process it arrived with me in Suffolk.
The furnace was natural gas and I wanted to run it on propane.
Flamefast supplied new jet for £24. However for anyone else doing this
I've just meausred the two jets. Small holes are difficult to measure
(for me, anyway) but the natural gas one is 0.090 mm and the propane
one is 0.065mm.

Charles

Posted by Duncan Munro on June 29, 2008, 9:49 am
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Charles Ping wrote:
> This is just for the record.
> Some of you may remember that I bought an ex-school Flamefast CM350
> furnace from Manchester. After passng through many hands in a
> transport process it arrived with me in Suffolk.
> The furnace was natural gas and I wanted to run it on propane.
> Flamefast supplied new jet for £24. However for anyone else doing this
> I've just meausred the two jets. Small holes are difficult to measure
> (for me, anyway) but the natural gas one is 0.090 mm and the propane
> one is 0.065mm.

Charles, that sounds like very small holes indeed. When I knocked up my
propane burner to run off 30 PSI, I ended up going with a 1.00 mm jet
size. What gas pressure are you running?

--
Duncan Munro
http://www.m0kgk.co.uk/

Posted by Charles Ping on June 29, 2008, 10:49 am
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On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:49:44 +0100, Duncan Munro

>Charles Ping wrote:
>> This is just for the record.
>> Some of you may remember that I bought an ex-school Flamefast CM350
>> furnace from Manchester. After passng through many hands in a
>> transport process it arrived with me in Suffolk.
>> The furnace was natural gas and I wanted to run it on propane.
>> Flamefast supplied new jet for £24. However for anyone else doing this
>> I've just meausred the two jets. Small holes are difficult to measure
>> (for me, anyway) but the natural gas one is 0.090 mm and the propane
>> one is 0.065mm.
>
>Charles, that sounds like very small holes indeed. When I knocked up my
>propane burner to run off 30 PSI, I ended up going with a 1.00 mm jet
>size. What gas pressure are you running?

Flamefast reckon 35mBar - a hell of a lot less than 30psi
http://www.flamefast.co.uk/heat-treatment/crucible-furnaces-cm350.html

So either yours is one big old burner that will melt iron and keep
Gazprom's profits high or the Flamefast furnace is very efficient.
Possibly something in the middle.

Charles



Posted by Duncan Munro on June 29, 2008, 12:07 pm
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Charles Ping wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:49:44 +0100, Duncan Munro
>> Charles, that sounds like very small holes indeed. When I knocked up my
>> propane burner to run off 30 PSI, I ended up going with a 1.00 mm jet
>> size. What gas pressure are you running?

> Flamefast reckon 35mBar - a hell of a lot less than 30psi
> http://www.flamefast.co.uk/heat-treatment/crucible-furnaces-cm350.html
>
> So either yours is one big old burner that will melt iron and keep
> Gazprom's profits high or the Flamefast furnace is very efficient.
> Possibly something in the middle.

LOL! I'll think of Chelsea buying another player every time I fire the
burner up ;-)

I had a look at the flamefast link, it shows 29000 BTU/hr or about a
quarter of the output of the burner here, but I'm still curious about
the massive difference in jet sizes.

Here's a link to play with: http://ronreil.abana.org/design2.shtml#BTU

Scroll down to "BTU calculator" and there's an excel spreadsheet you can
download which works out BTU, jet size, flow, etc. If you key in your
jet size (it's imperial so 0.065mm is about 2.5 thou) and even with 30
PSI, there's not a lot coming out....

--
Duncan Munro
http://www.m0kgk.co.uk/

Posted by Charles Ping on June 29, 2008, 12:25 pm
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On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:07:21 +0100, Duncan Munro

>Charles Ping wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:49:44 +0100, Duncan Munro
>>> Charles, that sounds like very small holes indeed. When I knocked up my
>>> propane burner to run off 30 PSI, I ended up going with a 1.00 mm jet
>>> size. What gas pressure are you running?
>
>> Flamefast reckon 35mBar - a hell of a lot less than 30psi
>> http://www.flamefast.co.uk/heat-treatment/crucible-furnaces-cm350.html
>>
>> So either yours is one big old burner that will melt iron and keep
>> Gazprom's profits high or the Flamefast furnace is very efficient.
>> Possibly something in the middle.
>
>LOL! I'll think of Chelsea buying another player every time I fire the
>burner up ;-)
>
>I had a look at the flamefast link, it shows 29000 BTU/hr or about a
>quarter of the output of the burner here, but I'm still curious about
>the massive difference in jet sizes.
>
>Here's a link to play with: http://ronreil.abana.org/design2.shtml#BTU
>
>Scroll down to "BTU calculator" and there's an excel spreadsheet you can
>download which works out BTU, jet size, flow, etc. If you key in your
>jet size (it's imperial so 0.065mm is about 2.5 thou) and even with 30
>PSI, there's not a lot coming out....

OK, so you've conclusively proved that I measured the hole wrongly!
What I'll do is search for some wire that *just* fits in the jet and
try again.

Charles

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