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How hard is "Hardened" Richard Edwards 01-30-2008
Posted by Richard Edwards on January 30, 2008, 2:25 pm
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I recently bought a Quick Change Toolpost with 4 holders. Advertised
as "Hardened and Ground". Within days there were dings all over the
toolholder. I find that I can relatively easily file chamfers on the
block or the toolholders. Also when you analyse the manufacture it is
not ground in the places where I feel it should be ground. Typically
the location faces of the height adjuster and the inside of the groove
of the clamp. As one clamps up the rough surfaces cause the adjuster
"nut" to rotate. All that together with the fact that when clamped
upon on one toolholder I can slide a .05mm feeler down one of the
clamping faces.
I am not a happy bunny!
When I get the Parting toolholder back, returned as adjusting screw
was not square with the block, I think that the whole lot will go
back!

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Richard

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Posted by 1501 on January 30, 2008, 2:36 pm
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On 30 Jan, 19:25, Richard Edwards <richard-
edwardsbu...@burrsblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> I recently bought a Quick Change Toolpost with 4 holders. Advertised
> as "Hardened and Ground". Within days there were dings all over the
> toolholder. I find that I can relatively easily file chamfers on the
> block or the toolholders. Also when you analyse the manufacture it is
> not ground in the places where I feel it should be ground. Typically
> the location faces of the height adjuster and the inside of the groove
> of the clamp. As one clamps up the rough surfaces cause the adjuster
> "nut" to rotate. All that together with the fact that when clamped
> upon on one toolholder I can slide a .05mm feeler down one of the
> clamping faces.
> I am not a happy bunny!
> When I get the Parting toolholder back, returned as adjusting screw
> was not square with the block, I think that the whole lot will go
> back!
>
> --
>
> Richard
>
> Email address is valid but remove burrs before sending!

Are you going to name names?

Posted by Richard Edwards on January 30, 2008, 3:32 pm
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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:36:41 -0800 (PST), 1501

>On 30 Jan, 19:25, Richard Edwards <richard-
>edwardsbu...@burrsblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> I recently bought a Quick Change Toolpost with 4 holders. Advertised
>> as "Hardened and Ground". Within days there were dings all over the
>> toolholder. I find that I can relatively easily file chamfers on the
>> block or the toolholders. Also when you analyse the manufacture it is
>> not ground in the places where I feel it should be ground. Typically
>> the location faces of the height adjuster and the inside of the groove
>> of the clamp. As one clamps up the rough surfaces cause the adjuster
>> "nut" to rotate. All that together with the fact that when clamped
>> upon on one toolholder I can slide a .05mm feeler down one of the
>> clamping faces.
>> I am not a happy bunny!
>> When I get the Parting toolholder back, returned as adjusting screw
>> was not square with the block, I think that the whole lot will go
>> back!
>>
>> --
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> Email address is valid but remove burrs before sending!
>
>Are you going to name names?
Not at the moment
If I do its unfair to the supplier without being given a chance to
respond
If I dont its maybe unfair to people on this NG

Rock and Hard spot!

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Richard

Email address is valid but remove burrs before sending!

Posted by Emimec on January 30, 2008, 4:44 pm
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>I recently bought a Quick Change Toolpost with 4 holders. Advertised
> as "Hardened and Ground". Within days there were dings all over the
> toolholder. I find that I can relatively easily file chamfers on the
> block or the toolholders. Also when you analyse the manufacture it is
> not ground in the places where I feel it should be ground. Typically
> the location faces of the height adjuster and the inside of the groove
> of the clamp. As one clamps up the rough surfaces cause the adjuster
> "nut" to rotate. All that together with the fact that when clamped
> upon on one toolholder I can slide a .05mm feeler down one of the
> clamping faces.
> I am not a happy bunny!
> When I get the Parting toolholder back, returned as adjusting screw
> was not square with the block, I think that the whole lot will go
> back!
>
> --
>
> Richard
>
> Email address is valid but remove burrs before sending!

The name "Rockwell" springs to mind when discussing the degree of hardness.
Look at:
http://www.gordonengland.co.uk/hardness/rockwell.htm



Posted by Richard Edwards on January 31, 2008, 12:11 am
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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:44:56 -0000, "Emimec"

>
>>I recently bought a Quick Change Toolpost with 4 holders. Advertised
>> as "Hardened and Ground". Within days there were dings all over the
>> toolholder. I find that I can relatively easily file chamfers on the
>> block or the toolholders. Also when you analyse the manufacture it is
>> not ground in the places where I feel it should be ground. Typically
>> the location faces of the height adjuster and the inside of the groove
>> of the clamp. As one clamps up the rough surfaces cause the adjuster
>> "nut" to rotate. All that together with the fact that when clamped
>> upon on one toolholder I can slide a .05mm feeler down one of the
>> clamping faces.
>> I am not a happy bunny!
>> When I get the Parting toolholder back, returned as adjusting screw
>> was not square with the block, I think that the whole lot will go
>> back!
>>
>> --
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> Email address is valid but remove burrs before sending!
>
>The name "Rockwell" springs to mind when discussing the degree of hardness.
>Look at:
>http://www.gordonengland.co.uk/hardness/rockwell.htm
>
Thanks but no help at all!
I have a J&S Knurling tool, the shank of which I cannot touch with a
file. I would expect a QC toolholder to be of similar hardness, not in
this case!

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Richard

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