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Laser pointer experiments pentagrid 06-01-2008
Posted by on June 1, 2008, 2:18 pm
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Pointers are now a cheap commodity item and, although the
quality is pretty variable, most can be persuaded to produce a
spot at least as good as the centre/edge finder versions.

The pointers incorporate three main items plus the
battery.

The laser diode itself which is a near "point" source and emits a
diverging beam.

A lens which changes this diverging beam to a collimated beam
(i.e. a parallel beam focussed at infinity)

A small bunch of electronics which monitors the beam intensity
and keeps it safely below laser diode burnout point independent
of battery voltage and laser temperature.

This is all organised to produce the brightest possible
beam. For center/edge finder work this is far too bright and
neutral density filters or crossed polaroids are commonly used to
reduce this to a manageable level. Without these, because the eye
saturates, the spot appears much larger

Another way of reducing brightness is to add a series
resistor to the battery to reduce the operating current
(typically 150mA). The amount required is dependent on the laser
characteristics - the useful range is about 50 to 500 ohms. In
adding wires to the pointer be sure to remember that the metal
case is POSITIVE.

A second change is to refocus the lens to produce its
focussed image at a more useful distance. The lens is normally in
a threaded metal mount which can be rotated to alter focus.
Because the initial beam diameter is small, the depth of focus is
large and not critically dependent on the distance to the image
point. The lens position needs to be typically 30% to 50% further
away from the laser diode.

Changing the lens position is the best option but it can
be a fiddly business. Much the same result can be obtained by
adding a second lens. Because the initial beam is parallel the
position of this lens is not critical - close to the existing
lens is convenient.

Ideally it should be plano convex with the convex side
facing the existing laser lens but the the biconvex lens fitted
many eye loupes performs pretty well. The focal distance depends
on the power of the eye loupe - a x5 loupe has a focal length of
2" and this is a convenient working distance. Higher power loupes
produce proportionately smaller working distance and spot size.

This reduction in spot size produces a substantial
increase in brightness so reduction of beam power is essential to
prevent eye saturation effects.

This spot is now a LOT smaller than the original short
range pointer collimated beam but, because it is now an image of
the actual emitting surface of the laser, the shape can be a bit
variable dependent on the particular laser diode. Two out of
three laser pointers produced acceptably shaped spots the third
produced an odd shaped elongated spot. Some improvement should be
possible with a strategically placed pinhole but I've not tried
this. The best pinhole position is likely to be very close the
the laser diode window. It's not easy to mount here and it would
require accurate alignment of the pinhole position.

It's pretty easy to check out the odd pointer so it
would be interesting to learn how well different pointers
performed and whether pinholes are a practicable improvement.


Jim

Posted by PG1D/PA-11Ø12 on June 1, 2008, 5:38 pm
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> Pointers are now a cheap commodity item and, although the
> quality is pretty variable, most can be persuaded to produce a
> spot at least as good as the centre/edge finder versions.
>
> The pointers incorporate three main items plus the
> battery.
>
> The laser diode itself which is a near "point" source and emits a
> diverging beam.
>
> A lens which changes this diverging beam to a collimated beam
> (i.e. a parallel beam focussed at infinity)
>
> A small bunch of electronics which monitors the beam intensity
> and keeps it safely below laser diode burnout point independent
> of battery voltage and laser temperature.
>
> This is all organised to produce the brightest possible
> beam. For center/edge finder work this is far too bright and
> neutral density filters or crossed polaroids are commonly used to
> reduce this to a manageable level. Without these, because the eye
> saturates, the spot appears much larger
>
> Another way of reducing brightness is to add a series
> resistor to the battery to reduce the operating current
> (typically 150mA). The amount required is dependent on the laser
> characteristics - the useful range is about 50 to 500 ohms. In
> adding wires to the pointer be sure to remember that the metal
> case is POSITIVE.
>
> A second change is to refocus the lens to produce its
> focussed image at a more useful distance. The lens is normally in
> a threaded metal mount which can be rotated to alter focus.
> Because the initial beam diameter is small, the depth of focus is
> large and not critically dependent on the distance to the image
> point. The lens position needs to be typically 30% to 50% further
> away from the laser diode.
>
> Changing the lens position is the best option but it can
> be a fiddly business. Much the same result can be obtained by
> adding a second lens. Because the initial beam is parallel the
> position of this lens is not critical - close to the existing
> lens is convenient.
>
> Ideally it should be plano convex with the convex side
> facing the existing laser lens but the the biconvex lens fitted
> many eye loupes performs pretty well. The focal distance depends
> on the power of the eye loupe - a x5 loupe has a focal length of
> 2" and this is a convenient working distance. Higher power loupes
> produce proportionately smaller working distance and spot size.
>
> This reduction in spot size produces a substantial
> increase in brightness so reduction of beam power is essential to
> prevent eye saturation effects.
>
> This spot is now a LOT smaller than the original short
> range pointer collimated beam but, because it is now an image of
> the actual emitting surface of the laser, the shape can be a bit
> variable dependent on the particular laser diode. Two out of
> three laser pointers produced acceptably shaped spots the third
> produced an odd shaped elongated spot. Some improvement should be
> possible with a strategically placed pinhole but I've not tried
> this. The best pinhole position is likely to be very close the
> the laser diode window. It's not easy to mount here and it would
> require accurate alignment of the pinhole position.
>
> It's pretty easy to check out the odd pointer so it
> would be interesting to learn how well different pointers
> performed and whether pinholes are a practicable improvement.
>
>
> Jim
Great..!! I have been experimenting with a pointer for aligning purposes on
my lathe. Thanks, this is what I was waiting for.
Best regards,
Dirk



Posted by Scrim on June 1, 2008, 7:01 pm
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I'm not sure how you plan to use these but may be able to help as I've
played around with laser pointers for a good few years now and hang out at
alt.lasers and sci.optics quite a bit.

Given the low power requirements I'm guessing you'll want to use red laser
diode based pointers at around 650nm or 635nm. These do produce a far from a
circular spot. Given the low power requirements for this application the
easiest solution is to use a suitable round aperture in the light path as
mentioned. I can't see that any benefit will be gained from placing a tiny
aperture near to the laser diode itself. I'd have thought either side of the
collimating lens is best. In fact normally the lens is actually smaller than
that required to capture the entire diode output so it already acts to
partially clean up the beam shape by excluding the extreme ends of the (very
roughly) rectangular beam.

Cheap laser pointer tend to have a bare laser diode without a windowed
containing package.

Laser diodes are very susceptible to static electricity or overpowering even
for short durations. Bear this in mind if you plan to rewire one.

Hope this is of use,



Scrim





> Pointers are now a cheap commodity item and, although the
> quality is pretty variable, most can be persuaded to produce a
> spot at least as good as the centre/edge finder versions.
>
> The pointers incorporate three main items plus the
> battery.
>
> The laser diode itself which is a near "point" source and emits a
> diverging beam.
>
> A lens which changes this diverging beam to a collimated beam
> (i.e. a parallel beam focussed at infinity)
>
> A small bunch of electronics which monitors the beam intensity
> and keeps it safely below laser diode burnout point independent
> of battery voltage and laser temperature.
>
> This is all organised to produce the brightest possible
> beam. For center/edge finder work this is far too bright and
> neutral density filters or crossed polaroids are commonly used to
> reduce this to a manageable level. Without these, because the eye
> saturates, the spot appears much larger
>
> Another way of reducing brightness is to add a series
> resistor to the battery to reduce the operating current
> (typically 150mA). The amount required is dependent on the laser
> characteristics - the useful range is about 50 to 500 ohms. In
> adding wires to the pointer be sure to remember that the metal
> case is POSITIVE.
>
> A second change is to refocus the lens to produce its
> focussed image at a more useful distance. The lens is normally in
> a threaded metal mount which can be rotated to alter focus.
> Because the initial beam diameter is small, the depth of focus is
> large and not critically dependent on the distance to the image
> point. The lens position needs to be typically 30% to 50% further
> away from the laser diode.
>
> Changing the lens position is the best option but it can
> be a fiddly business. Much the same result can be obtained by
> adding a second lens. Because the initial beam is parallel the
> position of this lens is not critical - close to the existing
> lens is convenient.
>
> Ideally it should be plano convex with the convex side
> facing the existing laser lens but the the biconvex lens fitted
> many eye loupes performs pretty well. The focal distance depends
> on the power of the eye loupe - a x5 loupe has a focal length of
> 2" and this is a convenient working distance. Higher power loupes
> produce proportionately smaller working distance and spot size.
>
> This reduction in spot size produces a substantial
> increase in brightness so reduction of beam power is essential to
> prevent eye saturation effects.
>
> This spot is now a LOT smaller than the original short
> range pointer collimated beam but, because it is now an image of
> the actual emitting surface of the laser, the shape can be a bit
> variable dependent on the particular laser diode. Two out of
> three laser pointers produced acceptably shaped spots the third
> produced an odd shaped elongated spot. Some improvement should be
> possible with a strategically placed pinhole but I've not tried
> this. The best pinhole position is likely to be very close the
> the laser diode window. It's not easy to mount here and it would
> require accurate alignment of the pinhole position.
>
> It's pretty easy to check out the odd pointer so it
> would be interesting to learn how well different pointers
> performed and whether pinholes are a practicable improvement.
>
>
> Jim



Posted by ravensworth2674 on June 2, 2008, 3:12 am
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> I'm not sure how you plan to use these but may be able to help as I've
> played around with laser pointers for a good few years now and hang out at=

> alt.lasers and sci.optics quite a bit.
>
> Given the low power requirements I'm guessing you'll want to use red laser=

> diode based pointers at around 650nm or 635nm. These do produce a far from=
a
> circular spot. Given the low power requirements for this application the
> easiest solution is to use a suitable round aperture in the light path as
> mentioned. I can't see that any benefit will be gained from placing a tiny=

> aperture near to the laser diode itself. I'd have thought either side of t=
he
> collimating lens is best. In fact normally the lens is actually smaller th=
an
> that required to capture the entire diode output so it already acts to
> partially clean up the beam shape by excluding the extreme ends of the (ve=
ry
> roughly) rectangular beam.
>
> Cheap laser pointer tend to have a bare laser diode without a windowed
> containing package.
>
> Laser diodes are very susceptible to static electricity or overpowering ev=
en
> for short durations. Bear this in mind if you plan to rewire one.
>
> Hope this is of use,
>
> Scrim
>
>
>
>
>
> > Pointers are now a cheap commodity item and, although the
> > quality is pretty variable, most can be persuaded to produce a
> > spot at least as good as the centre/edge finder versions.
>
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 The pointers incorporate three main items plus the
> > battery.
>
> > The laser diode itself which is a near "point" source and emits a
> > diverging beam.
>
> > A lens which changes this diverging beam to a collimated beam
> > (i.e. a parallel beam focussed at infinity)
>
> > A small bunch of electronics which monitors the beam intensity
> > and keeps it safely below laser diode burnout point independent
> > of battery voltage and laser temperature.
>
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 This is all organised to produce the brightest possible
> > beam. For center/edge finder work this is far too bright and
> > neutral density filters or crossed polaroids are commonly used to
> > reduce this to a manageable level. Without these, because the eye
> > saturates, the spot appears much larger
>
> > =A0 =A0 =A0Another way of reducing brightness is to add a series
> > resistor to the battery to reduce the =A0operating current
> > (typically 150mA). The amount required is dependent on the laser
> > characteristics - the useful range is about 50 to 500 ohms. In
> > adding wires to the pointer be sure to remember that the metal
> > case is POSITIVE.
>
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0A second change is to refocus the lens to produce its=

> > focussed image at a more useful distance. The lens is normally in
> > a threaded metal mount which can be rotated to alter focus.
> > Because the initial beam diameter is small, the depth of focus is
> > large and not critically dependent on the distance to the image
> > point. The lens position needs to be typically 30% to 50% further
> > away from the laser diode.
>
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Changing the lens position is the best option but it can=

> > be a fiddly business. Much the same result can be obtained by
> > adding a second lens. Because the initial beam is parallel the
> > position of this lens is not critical - close to the existing
> > lens is convenient.
>
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 Ideally it should be plano convex with the convex side
> > facing the existing laser lens but the the biconvex lens fitted
> > many eye loupes performs pretty well. The focal distance depends
> > on the power of the eye loupe - a x5 loupe has a focal length of
> > 2" and this is a convenient working distance. Higher power loupes
> > produce proportionately smaller working distance and spot size.
>
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0This reduction in spot size produces a substantial
> > increase in brightness so reduction of beam power is essential to
> > prevent eye saturation effects.
>
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0This spot is now a LOT smaller than the original shor=
t
> > range pointer collimated beam but, because it is now an image of
> > the actual emitting surface of the laser, the shape can be a bit
> > variable dependent on the particular laser diode. Two out of
> > three laser pointers produced acceptably shaped spots the third
> > produced an odd shaped elongated spot. Some improvement should be
> > possible with a strategically placed pinhole but I've not tried
> > this. The best pinhole position is likely to be very close the
> > the laser diode window. It's not easy to mount here and it would
> > require accurate alignment of the pinhole position.
>
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0It's pretty easy to check out the odd pointer so =
it
> > would be interesting to learn how well different pointers
> > performed and whether pinholes are a practicable improvement.
>
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Jim- Hide quo=
ted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Not wishing to detract anything said, might I mention that a series
ran in Model Engineers Workshop.

Posted by Tony Jeffree on June 2, 2008, 7:28 am
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On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 00:12:15 -0700 (PDT), ravensworth2674

>Not wishing to detract anything said, might I mention that a series
>ran in Model Engineers Workshop.

Which issue, Norm?

Regards,
Tony

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