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Lost wax casting iron Andrew Mawson 10-02-2006
Posted by Andrew Mawson on October 2, 2006, 3:29 pm
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I want to lost wax cast some small statuary in cast iron - this same
item I have previously cast in bronze using the following investment
casting plaster (which I still have a 50 lb bag of):

http://www.srs-ltd.co.uk/products_services/eurovest.html

I don't think that it'll take the higher temperature of cast iron
(1550 deg C pouring temp as opposed to about 1200 for the bronze) so
was considering using fine silica sand & sodium silicate both of which
I have to hand.

Once the bulk of the wax is steamed out of a plaster investment it is
then put in a burn out kiln to remove all traces of the wax and water,
and I would have to do the same with the sodium silicated sand, but
will this burn out the wax and leave a porous matrix as in the
investment plaster ? Obviously any wax trapped in the mould could be
potentially explosive when the iron enters so any informed opinions
would be appreciated.

AWEM



Posted by Tom on October 2, 2006, 3:59 pm
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Andrew Mawson wrote:
> I want to lost wax cast some small statuary in cast iron - this same
> item I have previously cast in bronze using the following investment
> casting plaster (which I still have a 50 lb bag of):
>
> http://www.srs-ltd.co.uk/products_services/eurovest.html
>
> I don't think that it'll take the higher temperature of cast iron
> (1550 deg C pouring temp as opposed to about 1200 for the bronze) so
> was considering using fine silica sand & sodium silicate both of which
> I have to hand.
>
> Once the bulk of the wax is steamed out of a plaster investment it is
> then put in a burn out kiln to remove all traces of the wax and water,
> and I would have to do the same with the sodium silicated sand, but
> will this burn out the wax and leave a porous matrix as in the
> investment plaster ? Obviously any wax trapped in the mould could be
> potentially explosive when the iron enters so any informed opinions
> would be appreciated.
>
> AWEM
>
>
What you're proposing rather negates the purpose of lost wax casting,
why not invest in the correct ceramic coating product? The improvement
in finish over your "sand" casting could well be worth it.
BTW, have you actually inquired as to the maximum working temp of your
casting plaster?

Tom

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Posted by Andrew Mawson on October 3, 2006, 7:03 am
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> Andrew Mawson wrote:
> > I want to lost wax cast some small statuary in cast iron - this
same
> > item I have previously cast in bronze using the following
investment
> > casting plaster (which I still have a 50 lb bag of):
> >
> > http://www.srs-ltd.co.uk/products_services/eurovest.html
> >
> > I don't think that it'll take the higher temperature of cast iron
> > (1550 deg C pouring temp as opposed to about 1200 for the bronze)
so
> > was considering using fine silica sand & sodium silicate both of
which
> > I have to hand.
> >
> > Once the bulk of the wax is steamed out of a plaster investment it
is
> > then put in a burn out kiln to remove all traces of the wax and
water,
> > and I would have to do the same with the sodium silicated sand,
but
> > will this burn out the wax and leave a porous matrix as in the
> > investment plaster ? Obviously any wax trapped in the mould could
be
> > potentially explosive when the iron enters so any informed
opinions
> > would be appreciated.
> >
> > AWEM
> >
> >
> What you're proposing rather negates the purpose of lost wax
casting,
> why not invest in the correct ceramic coating product? The
improvement
> in finish over your "sand" casting could well be worth it.
> BTW, have you actually inquired as to the maximum working temp of
your
> casting plaster?
>
> Tom

Tom,

The upper limit for the investment plaster is 1200 deg C and that's
frankly pushing it. Above 700 deg C it begins to have problems with
dissassociation but the metal tends to hold it in place. The ceramic
shell slurries are available from people like Remet but in large
quantity orders only. Hence proposing the use of a very fine (infact
core) sand bound with sodium silicate, and my concern was the ability
to burn out the residual wax.

AWEM



Posted by John Stevenson on October 3, 2006, 7:16 am
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On Tue, 3 Oct 2006 12:03:32 +0100, "Andrew Mawson"

>
>> Andrew Mawson wrote:
>> > I want to lost wax cast some small statuary in cast iron - this
>same
>> > item I have previously cast in bronze using the following
>investment
>> > casting plaster (which I still have a 50 lb bag of):
>> >
>> > http://www.srs-ltd.co.uk/products_services/eurovest.html
>> >
>> > I don't think that it'll take the higher temperature of cast iron
>> > (1550 deg C pouring temp as opposed to about 1200 for the bronze)
>so
>> > was considering using fine silica sand & sodium silicate both of
>which
>> > I have to hand.
>> >
>> > Once the bulk of the wax is steamed out of a plaster investment it
>is
>> > then put in a burn out kiln to remove all traces of the wax and
>water,
>> > and I would have to do the same with the sodium silicated sand,
>but
>> > will this burn out the wax and leave a porous matrix as in the
>> > investment plaster ? Obviously any wax trapped in the mould could
>be
>> > potentially explosive when the iron enters so any informed
>opinions
>> > would be appreciated.
>> >
>> > AWEM
>> >
>> >
>> What you're proposing rather negates the purpose of lost wax
>casting,
>> why not invest in the correct ceramic coating product? The
>improvement
>> in finish over your "sand" casting could well be worth it.
>> BTW, have you actually inquired as to the maximum working temp of
>your
>> casting plaster?
>>
>> Tom
>
>Tom,
>
>The upper limit for the investment plaster is 1200 deg C and that's
>frankly pushing it. Above 700 deg C it begins to have problems with
>dissassociation but the metal tends to hold it in place. The ceramic
>shell slurries are available from people like Remet but in large
>quantity orders only. Hence proposing the use of a very fine (infact
>core) sand bound with sodium silicate, and my concern was the ability
>to burn out the residual wax.
>
>AWEM
>

Got some drops we put in the dogs ears that remove wax, wonder if they
will work.
Can't see the dog being happy used as a test bed at 1200 degrees
--
Regards,

John Stevenson
Nottingham, England.

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Posted by Joules Beech on October 3, 2006, 11:55 am
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>
> Got some drops we put in the dogs ears that remove wax, wonder if they
> will work.
> Can't see the dog being happy used as a test bed at 1200 degrees
> --
> Regards,
>
> John Stevenson
> Nottingham, England.
>
> Visit the new Model Engineering adverts page at:-
> http://www.homeworkshop.org.uk/


Down Bronzo.... He's not a ferrous-shus hound.

Joules


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