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Making a replacement gear for thread dial indicator Martin Whybrow 07-16-2008
Posted by Martin Whybrow on July 16, 2008, 7:39 pm
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I'm currently fixing a number of issues on my recently acquired Colchester
Bantam 800 lathe; one of the problems I've found is that the gear on the
thread dial indicator has a tooth missing. I don't think that it's
repairable as it's some form of white metal (Mazak perhaps?) so I need to
make a new one. I've read of people using a tap as a hob for worm wheels and
it occurred to me that this might work for this application but I'm
wondering if it's going to be difficult to cut with an Acme form tap; the
second problem would be where to get a 1 1/8" x 4 TPI Acme tap for a
reasonable price.
The gear is 16 teeth and circa 1 1/4" in diameter.
Martin
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Posted by Don Young on July 16, 2008, 9:53 pm
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> I'm currently fixing a number of issues on my recently acquired Colchester
> Bantam 800 lathe; one of the problems I've found is that the gear on the
> thread dial indicator has a tooth missing. I don't think that it's
> repairable as it's some form of white metal (Mazak perhaps?) so I need to
> make a new one. I've read of people using a tap as a hob for worm wheels
> and it occurred to me that this might work for this application but I'm
> wondering if it's going to be difficult to cut with an Acme form tap; the
> second problem would be where to get a 1 1/8" x 4 TPI Acme tap for a
> reasonable price.
> The gear is 16 teeth and circa 1 1/4" in diameter.
> Martin
> --
> martin<dot here>whybrow<at here>ntlworld<dot here>com
>
>
Those gears work okay even when badly worn or misshapen and I am not sure it
would not work properly with a tooth missing. I have seen straight spur
gears used which did not fit the leadscrew at all well. It does not take
much contact to rotate the thread dial. I have not tried it but I suspect
you could cut a new gear from soft material by gashing a short section of
the leadscrew at the end and using it as a hob. Otherwise you might get any
kind of 4TPI tap or bolt and use it as a hob.

Don Young (USA)



Posted by David Littlewood on July 17, 2008, 10:44 am
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>> I'm currently fixing a number of issues on my recently acquired Colchester
>> Bantam 800 lathe; one of the problems I've found is that the gear on the
>> thread dial indicator has a tooth missing. I don't think that it's
>> repairable as it's some form of white metal (Mazak perhaps?) so I need to
>> make a new one. I've read of people using a tap as a hob for worm wheels
>> and it occurred to me that this might work for this application but I'm
>> wondering if it's going to be difficult to cut with an Acme form tap; the
>> second problem would be where to get a 1 1/8" x 4 TPI Acme tap for a
>> reasonable price.
>> The gear is 16 teeth and circa 1 1/4" in diameter.
>> Martin
>> --
>> martin<dot here>whybrow<at here>ntlworld<dot here>com
>>
>>
>Those gears work okay even when badly worn or misshapen and I am not sure it
>would not work properly with a tooth missing. I have seen straight spur
>gears used which did not fit the leadscrew at all well. It does not take
>much contact to rotate the thread dial. I have not tried it but I suspect
>you could cut a new gear from soft material by gashing a short section of
>the leadscrew at the end and using it as a hob. Otherwise you might get any
>kind of 4TPI tap or bolt and use it as a hob.
>
>Don Young (USA)
>
Whilst I agree with Don, if it were me I would take the thought a step
further and try a repair. I would cut a slot in the gear where the
missing tooth isn't, so to speak, and insert (using Araldite) a sliver
of brass (or similar) a bit bigger than the teeth, then file it down to
approximately the shape of the teeth. As Don says, the power
transmission is negligible, and any tiny deviation in angular
positioning due to deviation in shape would not be noticeable in this
application.

David
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David Littlewood

Posted by Martin Whybrow on July 17, 2008, 1:48 pm
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>>> I'm currently fixing a number of issues on my recently acquired
>>> Colchester
>>> Bantam 800 lathe; one of the problems I've found is that the gear on the
>>> thread dial indicator has a tooth missing. I don't think that it's
>>> repairable as it's some form of white metal (Mazak perhaps?) so I need
>>> to
>>> make a new one. I've read of people using a tap as a hob for worm wheels
>>> and it occurred to me that this might work for this application but I'm
>>> wondering if it's going to be difficult to cut with an Acme form tap;
>>> the
>>> second problem would be where to get a 1 1/8" x 4 TPI Acme tap for a
>>> reasonable price.
>>> The gear is 16 teeth and circa 1 1/4" in diameter.
>>> Martin
>>> --
>>> martin<dot here>whybrow<at here>ntlworld<dot here>com
>>>
>>>
>>Those gears work okay even when badly worn or misshapen and I am not sure
>>it
>>would not work properly with a tooth missing. I have seen straight spur
>>gears used which did not fit the leadscrew at all well. It does not take
>>much contact to rotate the thread dial. I have not tried it but I suspect
>>you could cut a new gear from soft material by gashing a short section of
>>the leadscrew at the end and using it as a hob. Otherwise you might get
>>any
>>kind of 4TPI tap or bolt and use it as a hob.
>>
>>Don Young (USA)
>>
> Whilst I agree with Don, if it were me I would take the thought a step
> further and try a repair. I would cut a slot in the gear where the missing
> tooth isn't, so to speak, and insert (using Araldite) a sliver of brass
> (or similar) a bit bigger than the teeth, then file it down to
> approximately the shape of the teeth. As Don says, the power transmission
> is negligible, and any tiny deviation in angular positioning due to
> deviation in shape would not be noticeable in this application.
>
> David
> --
> David Littlewood

Thanks David, that sound favourite so far.
Martin.
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Posted by on July 18, 2008, 4:16 am
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> > In article
> > <t4-dnYV9esmWO-PVnZ2dnUVZ_r3in...@posted.worldwebinternetservicesprovid=
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> >>> I'm currently fixing a number of issues on my recently acquired
> >>> Colchester
> >>> Bantam 800 lathe; one of the problems I've found is that the gear on =
the
> >>> thread dial indicator has a tooth missing. I don't think that it's
> >>> repairable as it's some form of white metal (Mazak perhaps?) so I nee=
d
> >>> to
> >>> make a new one. I've read of people using a tap as a hob for worm whe=
els
> >>> and it occurred to me that this might work for this application but I=
'm
> >>> wondering if it's going to be difficult to cut with an Acme form tap;
> >>> the
> >>> second problem would be where to get a 1 1/8" x 4 TPI Acme tap for a
> >>> reasonable price.
> >>> The gear is 16 teeth and circa 1 1/4" in diameter.
> >>> Martin
> >>> --
> >>> martin<dot here>whybrow<at here>ntlworld<dot here>com
>
> >>Those gears work okay even when badly worn or misshapen and I am not su=
re
> >>it
> >>would not work properly with a tooth missing. I have seen straight spur
> >>gears used which did not fit the leadscrew at all well. It does not tak=
e
> >>much contact to rotate the thread dial. I have not tried it but I suspe=
ct
> >>you could cut a new gear from soft material by gashing a short section =
of
> >>the leadscrew at the end and using it as a hob. Otherwise you might get
> >>any
> >>kind of 4TPI tap or bolt and use it as a hob.
>
> >>Don Young (USA)
>
> > Whilst I agree with Don, if it were me I would take the thought a step
> > further and try a repair. I would cut a slot in the gear where the miss=
ing
> > tooth isn't, so to speak, and insert (using Araldite) a sliver of brass
> > (or similar) a bit bigger than the teeth, then file it down to
> > approximately the shape of the teeth. As Don says, the power transmissi=
on
> > is negligible, and any tiny deviation in angular positioning due to
> > deviation in shape would not be noticeable in this application.
>
> > David
> > --
> > David Littlewood
>
> Thanks David, that sound favourite so far.
> Martin.
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Hi If you get stuck, contact me , I can probably make you a new gear.
Peter

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