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Mounting a toolmakers vice on milling machine Paul M 03-29-2008
Posted by Paul M on March 29, 2008, 12:06 pm
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 Hi Folks

I`m looking for a way to enable me to mount my small toolmakers vice
quickly onto my milling machine without having to clock it every time.
On most of my other stuff I have mounted a couple of steel " Buttons"
which mount in the T slot of the table and then its just a matter of
clampming the item to the table. I was going to do the same with the
toolmakers vice but the steel is hardened and my centre drill would
not touch it. I bought the vice from Chronos and the blurb reads :

75 mm Pin Type Precision Vice
Ref: PTV1

These pin type vices are made of hardened steel 55-60HRC and are
precision ground all over. The rapid positioning notches allow the
vice to be locked in any position by means of a hex key. V grooves in
the sliding jaw both horizontal & vertical facilitate the holding of
round jobs.Superb quality.
Jaw Width - 75 mm Jaw Opening - 100 mm

I was thinking that the hardness would only be surface deep and would
it it possible to drill around HRC 60 with a solid carbide drill?

I have mounted the vice in a larger vice but this loses me some height
on the table.

I also thought of "glueing" the buttons on to the vice with loctite or
araldite as they take no strain due to the vice being bolted to the
table - any ideas welcome.

Thanks for reading

Paul



Posted by Richard Edwards on March 29, 2008, 12:37 pm
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 wrote:

>Hi Folks
>
>I`m looking for a way to enable me to mount my small toolmakers vice
>quickly onto my milling machine without having to clock it every time.
>On most of my other stuff I have mounted a couple of steel " Buttons"
>which mount in the T slot of the table and then its just a matter of
>clampming the item to the table. I was going to do the same with the
>toolmakers vice but the steel is hardened and my centre drill would
>not touch it. I bought the vice from Chronos and the blurb reads :
Snip

Personally I cannot relate to fixed buttons. These will give no
capability of setting the vice at an angle if needed. I would just set
it with a square for most jobs and clock it when I needed real .0001"
accuracy. Clocking only takes 2 or 3 minutes IMHO.


--

Richard

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Posted by mark on March 29, 2008, 12:44 pm
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> Hi Folks
>
> I`m looking for a way to enable me to mount my small toolmakers vice
> quickly onto my milling machine without having to clock it every time.
> On most of my other stuff I have mounted a couple of steel " Buttons"
> which mount in the T slot of the table and then its just a matter of
> clampming the item to the table. =A0I was going to do the same with the
> toolmakers vice but the steel is hardened and my centre drill would
> not touch it. =A0I bought the vice from Chronos and the blurb reads :
>
> 75 mm Pin Type Precision Vice
> Ref: PTV1
>
> These pin type vices are made of hardened steel 55-60HRC and are
> precision ground all over. The rapid positioning notches allow the
> vice to be locked in any position by means of a hex key. V grooves in
> the sliding jaw both horizontal & vertical facilitate the holding of
> round jobs.Superb quality.
> Jaw Width - 75 mm Jaw Opening - 100 mm
>
> I was thinking that the hardness would only be surface deep and would
> it it possible to drill around HRC 60 with a solid carbide drill?
>
> I have mounted the vice in a larger vice but this loses me some height
> on the table.
>
> I also thought of "glueing" the buttons on to the vice with loctite or
> araldite as they take no strain due to the vice being bolted to the
> table - =A0any ideas welcome.
>
> Thanks for reading
>
> Paul

put a long square precision ground bar in the vice... the longer the
better.

and align each end of bar with t-slots ...(can only be used to Align
the vice one way)

because the bars above the table some-what ..you need to put a set
square against the bar ...
=2Ethe longer the bar the less the error will be ...

a three foot bar should be good.

doing the above will only be a bit quicker than clocking ....as once
you get used to clocking ...you just become quicker at it .

all the best....mark

Posted by on March 29, 2008, 1:13 pm
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> Hi Folks
>
> I`m looking for a way to enable me to mount my small toolmakers vice
> quickly onto my milling machine without having to clock it every time.
> On most of my other stuff I have mounted a couple of steel " Buttons"
> which mount in the T slot of the table and then its just a matter of
> clampming the item to the table. I was going to do the same with the
> toolmakers vice but the steel is hardened and my centre drill would
> not touch it. I bought the vice from Chronos and the blurb reads :
>
> 75 mm Pin Type Precision Vice
> Ref: PTV1
>
> These pin type vices are made of hardened steel 55-60HRC and are
> precision ground all over. The rapid positioning notches allow the
> vice to be locked in any position by means of a hex key. V grooves in
> the sliding jaw both horizontal & vertical facilitate the holding of
> round jobs.Superb quality.
> Jaw Width - 75 mm Jaw Opening - 100 mm
>
> I was thinking that the hardness would only be surface deep and would
> it it possible to drill around HRC 60 with a solid carbide drill?
>
> I have mounted the vice in a larger vice but this loses me some height
> on the table.
>
> I also thought of "glueing" the buttons on to the vice with loctite or
> araldite as they take no strain due to the vice being bolted to the
> table - any ideas welcome.
>
> Thanks for reading
>
> Paul

Hello Paul try a piece of flat material about 6" long machined or
ground to be a good fit in the tee slot on the mill bed, and stepped
up so that about 3" is in the tee slot and then the other 3" which is
higher up can be nipped between the vice jaws then just clamp the vice
to the machine bed.
Cheers Colin

Posted by Paul M on March 29, 2008, 3:56 pm
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On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:13:55 -0700 (PDT), colin.wildgust@virgin.net
wrote:

Hi Folks

Thanks for some good ideas - I will have a play during my week off
from work.

Cheers

Paul
>
>Hello Paul try a piece of flat material about 6" long machined or
>ground to be a good fit in the tee slot on the mill bed, and stepped
>up so that about 3" is in the tee slot and then the other 3" which is
>higher up can be nipped between the vice jaws then just clamp the vice
>to the machine bed.
>Cheers Colin


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