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New Lathe question Stuart Bridger 04-24-2008
Posted by Stuart Bridger on April 24, 2008, 7:15 am
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I an interested in getting into Model Engineering and looking at my first
"home lathe".
I have a reasonable budget, but Myford is out of the question.
I did an engineering apprenticeship back in the early 1980's and spent a
month working with what I believe was a Colchester Triumph 2000. After my
apprenticeship I moved into Electronics and finally ended up in IT where I
am now. Somewhere in the recesses of my brain I hope are some residual
turning skills.
I have looked at Chester and Warco on the web, with the latter looking more
attactive.
However I am somewhat confused as to which direction to go in. Belt change
or variable speed and what features are most desirable? No one product seems
to offer what I consider the perfect solution. The Warco WM280V-F looks
attractive as it offers a reasonable capacity and a power cross feed. The
latter I could consider as pretty much essential from my previous
experience. One concern I have on this model is the low end speed, 125 RPM.
Is this slow enough? I would rather speed a little more and get something
decent than get a machine that I "grow out of". I am not really up for
refurbing a machine as it will be my first machine tool. A lot of the work I
am planning will be model scale stuff, but the capability to machine larger
items is atractive. Have I been "spoilt" by my turning stint during my
apprenticeship and am expecting too much from a first lathe?

The advice of the group would be much appreciated

Stuart



Posted by John on April 24, 2008, 9:14 am
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Have you looked at www.lathes.co.uk ?
Your experience was likely to be on a Triumph lathe. They were, and
are, very popular. Unfortunately, they're 3 phase. They sell regularly
on eBay and are very good lathes if a little large for home use.
Having said that, I've been promising myself one for years.
You need to decide what sizes you're going to machine, that dictates
the lathe size. Go for a proper lathe if you can rather than a cheap
feature-poor machine. There's lots available second hand. Again, eBay
will give an indication of prices.
Things to consider
Distance between centres and swing over bed
Go for a gap bed if possible
Look at the clearance above the saddle as well as the chuck swing.
Look how high the tool post is as that dictates how large a cutting
tool you can use
Do you want imperial/metric/both screw feeds
Look for a large enough bore through the headstock.

No doubt others will add to this list until there's so many needs that
no one lathe will do. Then you will need multiple lathes, oh and a
miller, a grinder, a shaper............

Good luck

John

Stuart Bridger wrote:
> I an interested in getting into Model Engineering and looking at my first
> "home lathe".
> I have a reasonable budget, but Myford is out of the question.
> I did an engineering apprenticeship back in the early 1980's and spent a
> month working with what I believe was a Colchester Triumph 2000. After my
> apprenticeship I moved into Electronics and finally ended up in IT where I
> am now. Somewhere in the recesses of my brain I hope are some residual
> turning skills.
> I have looked at Chester and Warco on the web, with the latter looking more
> attactive.
> However I am somewhat confused as to which direction to go in. Belt change
> or variable speed and what features are most desirable? No one product seems
> to offer what I consider the perfect solution. The Warco WM280V-F looks
> attractive as it offers a reasonable capacity and a power cross feed. The
> latter I could consider as pretty much essential from my previous
> experience. One concern I have on this model is the low end speed, 125 RPM.
> Is this slow enough? I would rather speed a little more and get something
> decent than get a machine that I "grow out of". I am not really up for
> refurbing a machine as it will be my first machine tool. A lot of the work I
> am planning will be model scale stuff, but the capability to machine larger
> items is atractive. Have I been "spoilt" by my turning stint during my
> apprenticeship and am expecting too much from a first lathe?
>
> The advice of the group would be much appreciated
>
> Stuart

Posted by Charles Ping on April 24, 2008, 9:46 am
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> Have you looked atwww.lathes.co.uk?
> Your experience was likely to be on a Triumph lathe. They were, and
> are, very popular. Unfortunately, they're 3 phase. They sell regularly
> on eBay and are very good lathes if a little large for home use.
> Having said that, I've been promising myself one for years.
> You need to decide what sizes you're going to machine, that dictates
> the lathe size. Go for a proper lathe if you can rather than a cheap
> feature-poor machine. There's lots available second hand. Again, eBay
> will give an indication of prices.
> Things to consider
> Distance between centres and swing over bed
> Go for a gap bed if possible
> Look at the clearance above the saddle as well as the chuck swing.
> Look how high the tool post is as that dictates how large a cutting
> tool you can use
> Do you want imperial/metric/both screw feeds
> Look for a large enough bore through the headstock.
>
> No doubt others will add to this list until there's so many needs that
> no one lathe will do. Then you will need multiple lathes, oh and a
> miller, a grinder, a shaper............
>
> Good luck
>
> John
>
>
>
> Stuart Bridger wrote:
> > I an interested in getting into Model Engineering and looking at my firs=
t
> > "home lathe".
> > I have a reasonable budget, but Myford is out of the question.
> > I did an engineering apprenticeship back in the early 1980's and spent a=

> > month working with what I believe was a Colchester Triumph 2000. After m=
y
> > apprenticeship I moved into Electronics and finally ended up in IT where=
I
> > am now. Somewhere in the recesses of my brain I hope are some residual
> > turning skills.
> > I have looked at Chester and Warco on the web, with the latter looking m=
ore
> > attactive.
> > However I am somewhat confused as to which direction to go in. Belt chan=
ge
> > or variable speed and what features are most desirable? No one product s=
eems
> > to offer what I consider the perfect solution. The Warco WM280V-F looks
> > attractive as it offers a reasonable capacity and a power cross feed. Th=
e
> > latter I could consider as pretty much essential from my previous
> > experience. One concern I have on this model is the low end speed, 125 R=
PM.
> > Is this slow enough? I would rather speed a little more and get somethin=
g
> > decent than get a machine that I "grow out of". =A0I am not really up fo=
r
> > refurbing a machine as it will be my first machine tool. A lot of the wo=
rk I
> > am planning will be model scale stuff, but the capability to machine lar=
ger
> > items is atractive. Have I been "spoilt" by my turning stint during my
> > apprenticeship and am expecting too much from a first lathe?
>
> > The advice of the group would be much appreciated
>
> > Stuart- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Two points:

Slightly confused as to why a good Myford should be too expensive if
you have =A31500 to spend on the Warco. OK, not a brand new Myford but
you should be able to get a nice one for =A31500. A good AUD Boxford
would be even less and a late one would be a 5" model. I appreciate
your desire not to rebuild something but not all second hand machinery
is in need of a rebuild! There was a nice Boxford on Homeworkshop the
other day - no idea of the price though!
See here http://www.homeworkshop.org.uk
Remember the bigger machines are cheaper and 3 phase isn't the work of
the devil. Most can be run of inverters or converters (or in my case
both) if you have some electrical confidence.

As for your specifics:
Possibly spoilt but there's no going back.
125rpm too fast IMHO
Variable speed is easily sorted with an inverter on a 3 phase motor
(and much better than single phase
I agree than power cross feed is useful - as is a norton box.

Charles







Posted by Stuart Bridger on April 24, 2008, 10:35 am
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Lathes.co.uk was my source to jog my memory on what lathe I used. It was
the rotary speed select paddles that triggered the identification. There
must have been about 20 of these in the Training workshop at British
Aerospace, Brooklands. Who knows where they ended up when the site closed in
'87/88.


> Have you looked at www.lathes.co.uk ?
> Your experience was likely to be on a Triumph lathe. They were, and
> are, very popular. Unfortunately, they're 3 phase. They sell regularly
> on eBay and are very good lathes if a little large for home use.
> Having said that, I've been promising myself one for years.
> You need to decide what sizes you're going to machine, that dictates
> the lathe size. Go for a proper lathe if you can rather than a cheap
> feature-poor machine. There's lots available second hand. Again, eBay
> will give an indication of prices.
> Things to consider
> Distance between centres and swing over bed
> Go for a gap bed if possible
> Look at the clearance above the saddle as well as the chuck swing.
> Look how high the tool post is as that dictates how large a cutting
> tool you can use
> Do you want imperial/metric/both screw feeds
> Look for a large enough bore through the headstock.
>
> No doubt others will add to this list until there's so many needs that
> no one lathe will do. Then you will need multiple lathes, oh and a
> miller, a grinder, a shaper............
>
> Good luck
>
> John
>
> Stuart Bridger wrote:
>> I an interested in getting into Model Engineering and looking at my first
>> "home lathe".
>> I have a reasonable budget, but Myford is out of the question.
>> I did an engineering apprenticeship back in the early 1980's and spent a
>> month working with what I believe was a Colchester Triumph 2000. After my
>> apprenticeship I moved into Electronics and finally ended up in IT where
>> I
>> am now. Somewhere in the recesses of my brain I hope are some residual
>> turning skills.
>> I have looked at Chester and Warco on the web, with the latter looking
>> more
>> attactive.
>> However I am somewhat confused as to which direction to go in. Belt
>> change
>> or variable speed and what features are most desirable? No one product
>> seems
>> to offer what I consider the perfect solution. The Warco WM280V-F looks
>> attractive as it offers a reasonable capacity and a power cross feed. The
>> latter I could consider as pretty much essential from my previous
>> experience. One concern I have on this model is the low end speed, 125
>> RPM.
>> Is this slow enough? I would rather speed a little more and get something
>> decent than get a machine that I "grow out of". I am not really up for
>> refurbing a machine as it will be my first machine tool. A lot of the
>> work I
>> am planning will be model scale stuff, but the capability to machine
>> larger
>> items is atractive. Have I been "spoilt" by my turning stint during my
>> apprenticeship and am expecting too much from a first lathe?
>>
>> The advice of the group would be much appreciated
>>
>> Stuart



Posted by Dave Baker on April 24, 2008, 9:44 am
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>I an interested in getting into Model Engineering and looking at my first
>"home lathe".
> I have a reasonable budget, but Myford is out of the question.
> I did an engineering apprenticeship back in the early 1980's and spent a
> month working with what I believe was a Colchester Triumph 2000. After my
> apprenticeship I moved into Electronics and finally ended up in IT where I
> am now. Somewhere in the recesses of my brain I hope are some residual
> turning skills.
> I have looked at Chester and Warco on the web, with the latter looking
> more attactive.
> However I am somewhat confused as to which direction to go in. Belt change
> or variable speed and what features are most desirable? No one product
> seems to offer what I consider the perfect solution. The Warco WM280V-F
> looks attractive as it offers a reasonable capacity and a power cross
> feed. The latter I could consider as pretty much essential from my
> previous experience. One concern I have on this model is the low end
> speed, 125 RPM. Is this slow enough? I would rather speed a little more
> and get something decent than get a machine that I "grow out of". I am
> not really up for refurbing a machine as it will be my first machine tool.
> A lot of the work I am planning will be model scale stuff, but the
> capability to machine larger items is atractive. Have I been "spoilt" by
> my turning stint during my apprenticeship and am expecting too much from a
> first lathe?
>
> The advice of the group would be much appreciated
>
> Stuart

I've never come across anything I wanted or needed to machine that I
couldn't do on my old Colchester Student. It copes with anything up to
normal car engine size such as flywheels, cranks, cams. The gap bed helps
for large diameter items. A small lathe like a Myford might be ok for
machining tiny stuff but I don't actually think it does it any better than a
larger machine. Whatever you're machining it always helps to have a sturdy
and rigid machine.

A Triumph 2000 is a nice lathe but a bit large for hobby use.

Dealers always want a huge amount for even old crappy machines but you can
often do better asking about in local machine shops if anyone knows of an
old lathe for sale. With CNC taking over so much of the work these days
perfectly good manual machines often end up in skips if it's too much hassle
to try and sell them. A mate rescued a very nice Student from a skip a few
years ago after someone moving workshop just binned it rather than pay for
it to be moved. Colleges also often sell nice machines for very little
money.

So I'd say Student, preferably the later flat top model, if you can find one
will do anything you need. A gap bed one for choice. A quick change toolpost
and Burnerd collet chuck set are the two best things you can add to it.
--
Dave Baker
Puma Race Engines



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