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New Lathe question Stuart Bridger 04-24-2008
Posted by Stuart Bridger on April 24, 2008, 10:27 am
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I wasn't saying that I want anything as large as a Triumph 2000, just
illustrating what I had used before.
Thanks for the responses, my suspicion that 125 RPM wasn't slow enough seem
well founded.
There is a small machine shop local to me, I will pop in and see if they
have anything to suggest.

The general consensus is that I will get much better value by going second
hand commercial/British than new Chinese import. The challenge for me will
be making sure that I don't get an "old dog".
I am certainly willing to undertake some Electrical work and an inverter
does seem a good option, for speed control and /or 3ph conversion.



>
>>I an interested in getting into Model Engineering and looking at my first
>>"home lathe".
>> I have a reasonable budget, but Myford is out of the question.
>> I did an engineering apprenticeship back in the early 1980's and spent a
>> month working with what I believe was a Colchester Triumph 2000. After my
>> apprenticeship I moved into Electronics and finally ended up in IT where
>> I am now. Somewhere in the recesses of my brain I hope are some residual
>> turning skills.
>> I have looked at Chester and Warco on the web, with the latter looking
>> more attactive.
>> However I am somewhat confused as to which direction to go in. Belt
>> change or variable speed and what features are most desirable? No one
>> product seems to offer what I consider the perfect solution. The Warco
>> WM280V-F looks attractive as it offers a reasonable capacity and a power
>> cross feed. The latter I could consider as pretty much essential from my
>> previous experience. One concern I have on this model is the low end
>> speed, 125 RPM. Is this slow enough? I would rather speed a little more
>> and get something decent than get a machine that I "grow out of". I am
>> not really up for refurbing a machine as it will be my first machine
>> tool. A lot of the work I am planning will be model scale stuff, but the
>> capability to machine larger items is atractive. Have I been "spoilt" by
>> my turning stint during my apprenticeship and am expecting too much from
>> a first lathe?
>>
>> The advice of the group would be much appreciated
>>
>> Stuart
>
> I've never come across anything I wanted or needed to machine that I
> couldn't do on my old Colchester Student. It copes with anything up to
> normal car engine size such as flywheels, cranks, cams. The gap bed helps
> for large diameter items. A small lathe like a Myford might be ok for
> machining tiny stuff but I don't actually think it does it any better than
> a larger machine. Whatever you're machining it always helps to have a
> sturdy and rigid machine.
>
> A Triumph 2000 is a nice lathe but a bit large for hobby use.
>
> Dealers always want a huge amount for even old crappy machines but you can
> often do better asking about in local machine shops if anyone knows of an
> old lathe for sale. With CNC taking over so much of the work these days
> perfectly good manual machines often end up in skips if it's too much
> hassle to try and sell them. A mate rescued a very nice Student from a
> skip a few years ago after someone moving workshop just binned it rather
> than pay for it to be moved. Colleges also often sell nice machines for
> very little money.
>
> So I'd say Student, preferably the later flat top model, if you can find
> one will do anything you need. A gap bed one for choice. A quick change
> toolpost and Burnerd collet chuck set are the two best things you can add
> to it.
> --
> Dave Baker
> Puma Race Engines
>



Posted by on April 24, 2008, 11:07 am
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wrote:
> I wasn't saying that I want anything as large as a Triumph 2000, just
> illustrating what I had used before.
> Thanks for the responses, my suspicion that 125 RPM wasn't slow enough see=
m
> well founded.
> There is a small machine shop local to me, I will pop in and see if they
> have anything to suggest.
>
> The general consensus is that I will get much better value by going second=

> hand commercial/British than new Chinese import. The challenge for me will=

> be making sure that I don't get an "old dog".
> I am certainly willing to undertake some Electrical work and an inverter
> does seem a good option, for speed control and /or 3ph conversion.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>I an interested in getting into Model Engineering and looking at my firs=
t
> >>"home lathe".
> >> I have a reasonable budget, but Myford is out of the question.
> >> I did an engineering apprenticeship back in the early 1980's and spent =
a
> >> month working with what I believe was a Colchester Triumph 2000. After =
my
> >> apprenticeship I moved into Electronics and finally ended up in IT wher=
e
> >> I am now. Somewhere in the recesses of my brain I hope are some residua=
l
> >> turning skills.
> >> I have looked at Chester and Warco on the web, with the latter looking
> >> more attactive.
> >> However I am somewhat confused as to which direction to go in. Belt
> >> change or variable speed and what features are most desirable? No one
> >> product seems to offer what I consider the perfect solution. The Warco
> >> WM280V-F looks attractive as it offers a reasonable capacity and a powe=
r
> >> cross feed. The latter I could consider as pretty much essential from m=
y
> >> previous experience. One concern I have on this model is the low end
> >> speed, 125 RPM. Is this slow enough? I would rather speed a little more=

> >> and get something decent than get a machine that I "grow out of". =A0I =
am
> >> not really up for refurbing a machine as it will be my first machine
> >> tool. A lot of the work I am planning will be model scale stuff, but th=
e
> >> capability to machine larger items is atractive. Have I been "spoilt" b=
y
> >> my turning stint during my apprenticeship and am expecting too much fro=
m
> >> a first lathe?
>
> >> The advice of the group would be much appreciated
>
> >> Stuart
>
> > I've never come across anything I wanted or needed to machine that I
> > couldn't do on my old Colchester Student. It copes with anything up to
> > normal car engine size such as flywheels, cranks, cams. The gap bed help=
s
> > for large diameter items. A small lathe like a Myford might be ok for
> > machining tiny stuff but I don't actually think it does it any better th=
an
> > a larger machine. Whatever you're machining it always helps to have a
> > sturdy and rigid machine.
>
> > A Triumph 2000 is a nice lathe but a bit large for hobby use.
>
> > Dealers always want a huge amount for even old crappy machines but you c=
an
> > often do better asking about in local machine shops if anyone knows of a=
n
> > old lathe for sale. With CNC taking over so much of the work these days
> > perfectly good manual machines often end up in skips if it's too much
> > hassle to try and sell them. A mate rescued a very nice Student from a
> > skip a few years ago after someone moving workshop just binned it rather=

> > than pay for it to be moved. Colleges also often sell nice machines for
> > very little money.
>
> > So I'd say Student, preferably the later flat top model, if you can find=

> > one will do anything you need. A gap bed one for choice. A quick change
> > toolpost and Burnerd collet chuck set are the two best things you can ad=
d
> > to it.
> > --
> > Dave Baker
> > Puma Race Engines- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Stuart

I wouldn't argue with the Student type machine but if you can go a
little smaller have a look at a Boxford AUD or maybe a BUD they really
are very good value for a quality small (4 1/2" - 5") British machine.
I have a first class long bed AUD which I guess would fetch about half
of what that Warco would cost you. In fact that is the reason I
haven't sold it as seems much too good to sell for that sort of money.
The smaller Colchester Bantam or particularly the Chipmaster is also
worth considering if you can find a good one. As has been rightly said
conversion these days to a 3 phase motor is both relatively cheap and
simple. If you have limited space to house the machine then do have a
look at a later Myford S7 with the power crossfeed - you can pick up
very nice ones for a fair bit less than that Warco these days.

While the Warco you specify is fine for hobby use it is a little
lightweight for larger more taxing work. Warco in general have a very
good reputation for aftercare and that particular machine has been
specified with some of the model engineer wants in mind, larger
spindle bore than average, variable speed, power crossfeed etc and for
a small footprint has reasonable capacity. The last one is double
edged though as with lathes there is no substitute for mass of iron to
give smooth cutting.

If you do a search on here using Warco, Bantam or Import late youwill
find a lot of discussion and a wide range of views, try this thread as
an example:

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.rec.models.engineering/browse_thread/thr=
ead/545e8a4537e8d62c/d6658e9af2dac8ca?lnk=3Dgst&q=3Dwarco+lathes#d6658e9af2d=
ac8ca

Good luck

Best regards

Keith

Posted by Richard on April 24, 2008, 4:25 pm
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Hello Stuart,
I'd agree with pretty much everything that's been said so far. A
couple of other lathes to consider are a Smart & Brown (like the
Boxford it's a Southbend near clone) and also a real Southbend. A very
nice Sabel went on fleabay a couple of weeks ago for £200 with chucks,
steadies etc (admittedly that _was_ cheap) and Southbends are
frequently around that figure. I don't think most people selling stuff
like that would mind being asked for an inspection and if they do
avoid it. Boxfords especially, seem to be always available and spares
and parts are easy. Although not vastly larger than a Myford they are
all (Boxford S&B, Sb) much more heavily built.

Machines of that ilk have a much nicer feel than most of the far
eastern import stuff. I had a wiggle of the hand-wheels on a Sieg in
Axminsters showroom recently and it felt as though it had square balls
lubricated with gravel compared to my Sable, I was shocked - but it
did have an all enclosed gearbox etc with neat twiddly knobs.

You perhaps need to think a little about 'what you like to do' and
what you want to do with it. Possibly also the potential re-sale
value/ratio if you decide it's not for you.

Rgds Richard

Posted by Cliff Ray on April 24, 2008, 1:15 pm
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> Stuart
>
>
Stuart, one quick question. Are you the Stuart I think you are?

Cliff

Posted by Stuart Bridger on April 25, 2008, 12:56 pm
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Cliff

I suspect yes if you are the Cliff I suspect you are!

>
>> Stuart
> Stuart, one quick question. Are you the Stuart I think you are?
>
> Cliff



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