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OT: Lawnmower operator presence control Christopher Tidy 08-01-2008
Posted by Christopher Tidy on August 3, 2008, 8:05 pm
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 Cliff Coggin wrote:
>
>>Hi folks,
>>
>>I'm hoping someone here can answer a legal question for me, as I can't
>>find the answer online. A friend told me recently that if you have a
>>lawnmower, and pay someone to use it, it must be fitted with an operator
>>presence control. That is, one of those levers you have to hold onto, and
>>if you let go of it the engine stops. Personally I find them an annoyance.
>>Does anyone know if this is true?
>>
>>Many thanks,
>>
>>Chris
>>
>
>
> Whether it is obligatory to have such a cut-out I don't know. What is fairly
> certain is that should you employ somebody to use that mower with the
> cut-out deliberately disabled, then you would be guilty of wilful neglect of
> that person's safety and therefore liable to pay compensation in the event
> of injury.

What I was talking about is a mower which never had one in the first
place. Anyway, it's just a matter of curiousity for the moment. It's
hypothetical.

Best wishes,

Chris


Posted by Christopher Tidy on August 13, 2008, 8:19 pm
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moray wrote:

<snip>

> The best place to get an answer would be your local H&S office. As much as
> people hate them, they can be quite handy for finding out such things.

While I have yet to contact the local H. & S. office (I do intend to), I
came across something interesting today. I was looking at a brochure for
the latest Dennis lawnmowers. None of their most expensive machines have
an operator presence control, but the cheaper ones do.

Presumably this means that it is not a legal requirement. It also
suggests that professional groundsmen know that the feature is annoying!

Best wishes,

Chris


Posted by Andrew Mawson on August 14, 2008, 3:02 am
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> moray wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > The best place to get an answer would be your local H&S office. As
much as
> > people hate them, they can be quite handy for finding out such
things.
>
> While I have yet to contact the local H. & S. office (I do intend
to), I
> came across something interesting today. I was looking at a brochure
for
> the latest Dennis lawnmowers. None of their most expensive machines
have
> an operator presence control, but the cheaper ones do.
>
> Presumably this means that it is not a legal requirement. It also
> suggests that professional groundsmen know that the feature is
annoying!
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Chris
>

Difference may be intention for trained operators on the professional
kit, and the unwashed public on the cheaper stuff.

AWEM


Posted by jackary on August 14, 2008, 4:33 am
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> moray wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > The best place to get an answer would be your local H&S office. As much as
> > people hate them, they can be quite handy for finding out such things.
>
> While I have yet to contact the local H. & S. office (I do intend to), I
> came across something interesting today. I was looking at a brochure for
> the latest Dennis lawnmowers. None of their most expensive machines have
> an operator presence control, but the cheaper ones do.
>
> Presumably this means that it is not a legal requirement. It also
> suggests that professional groundsmen know that the feature is annoying!
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Chris

Has every zone, area & village now got a local friendly H & S office?
Just like catholic countries have local priests overseeing our every
move
So big brother does exist.
Alan

Posted by moray on August 14, 2008, 11:35 am
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> moray wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> The best place to get an answer would be your local H&S office. As much
>> as people hate them, they can be quite handy for finding out such things.
>
> While I have yet to contact the local H. & S. office (I do intend to), I
> came across something interesting today. I was looking at a brochure for
> the latest Dennis lawnmowers. None of their most expensive machines have
> an operator presence control, but the cheaper ones do.
>
> Presumably this means that it is not a legal requirement. It also suggests
> that professional groundsmen know that the feature is annoying!
>

I'm guessing the more expensive ones require you to pull a lever to engage
the blade though...

It's not a requirement for the operator presence control to stop the engine.
It just has to stop any cutting blades. You can buy Honda mowers that work
by disengaging drive to the blade, but they are more expensive, as they
obviously require a good few more components.

moray



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