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Power Factor and New Power Company Digi Meters mark 09-28-2006
Posted by Andy Parker on September 29, 2006, 4:27 pm
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On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:57:42 +0100, Mark Rand

>
>
>>20 units used in 24 hours according to the new meter.
>>didn't do any cooking ...only TV and lights, computer and lathe used in
>>the 24 hours.
>>
>>
>>All i ask people to do is ...check their digital meter when operating
>>things with windings etc .
>>
>>Just so that I've got something to back up me up when on the phone to
>>them.
>>
>>
>>all the best...mark
>
>
>Biggest problem I had was that they billed us based on estimates for two
>years. The estimates were substantially less than the meter readings would
>have been. I didn't notice it because the domestic management dealt with the
>bills... A £700 pound electric bill after they did finally read the meter was
>a bit of a shock.
>
>
>Mark Rand
>RTFM

And if the price of electric went up in that 2 years they almost
certainly charged you at the new price for the 'old' juice. It's
called back-billing and they have been told to stop it but still try
it on. Inflated my bill by over £100 but I got it back, took over a
year and 2 energywatch referrals but I won!

Sorry for butting in - newby lurking - but this thread got my
attention!

Cheers
Andy Parker, Agate House Lapidary
Ulverston, Cumbria, England
andy@agatehouse.co.uk
www.agatehouse.co.uk

Posted by Kevin Steele on September 30, 2006, 3:54 am
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>
>
>Biggest problem I had was that they billed us based on estimates for two
>years. The estimates were substantially less than the meter readings would
>have been. I didn't notice it because the domestic management dealt with the
>bills... A £700 pound electric bill after they did finally read the meter was
>a bit of a shock.
>
>
>Mark Rand
>RTFM

I was with powergen for about two years when I moved into this house.
In all that time they didn't manage to send me a single correct bill.
Each time I rang someone up they would change it, but by the time it
got out to me they would have got it wrong again. Most incompetent
company I have ever dealt with. Even when I gave them meter readings
they would send out bills with "estimated" figures. But as they had
never read the meter there was no accurate data to base the estimate
on. Final straw came when they sent me an "estimated" bill that said
I'd used several hundred pounds worth of electricity in a week!! And
then changed my direct debit to a ridiculous figure based on the
estimated bill. I am now with a different power company.

Regards
Kevin


Posted by Mike on September 29, 2006, 11:18 am
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wrote:

>Should I worry about this .
>
>Does anyone here, have reason to doubt if these things, "correct"...
>for power factor .
>
>My "units used" seems to have gone up since this meter was swapped from
>the old mechanical one.
>
>All the best.....mark

A typical one measures just kWh, the "technical" manual is available
for download here.
http://www.econtrols.co.uk/downloads/5196B%20USER%20MANUAL.PDF





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Posted by Greg on September 29, 2006, 2:10 pm
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> A typical one measures just kWh, the "technical" manual is available
> for download here.
> http://www.econtrols.co.uk/downloads/5196B%20USER%20MANUAL.PDF

That one measures both active and reactive power separately, is that what
they are installing now?, it would certainly fit with what I've heard about
their plans to meter kVAr hours in the future.

But the fact remains they presently bill on active power only, and any meter
either mechanical or electronic is supposed to read only active power so the
kVAr hours display on that meter should be ignored.

Greg



Posted by Greg on September 29, 2006, 2:14 pm
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Looking closer, that manual covers a range of meters including a kW hour
only type for domestic and even an export power for use with grid connected
generators, they're obviously thinking ahead to the micro CHP market.

Greg



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