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Question on Clarkson type S Autolock collets gn3dr 10-03-2006
Posted by gn3dr on October 3, 2006, 7:54 am
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Hi
I have a question about Clarkson type S Autolock collets which
hopefully people may be able to help with. I recently bought a Denford
Viceroy milling machine. The spindle takes 30 INT tooling. It came with
some tooling such as a 30 INT to MT2 sleeve, 27mm arbour for face mill
etc etc…

For end mills it has a Claskson Autolock chuck with a few of the
collets included and this is mainly where my questions are.
There were a few imperial end-mills that came with the unit but I want
to buy a full set of say 2mm to 20mm mills to get me started.
The questions then arise
1)        Will metric end mills fit the imperial autolock collets?
2)        Does anyone know what the thread is on the collets – is this
standard with other makes?
3)        Where is the best / cheapest place to buy more Autolock collets?
4)        Where is the best place to buy end mills with the threaded shank?
5)        Will end mills that do not have a threaded shank work with the
autolock collets?
6)        Am I best of staying with the Autolock system or should I change to
something else?

Lots of questions – hopefully someone will point me in the right
direction….


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Posted by John Stevenson on October 3, 2006, 9:47 am
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wrote:

>
>Hi
>I have a question about Clarkson type S Autolock collets which
>hopefully people may be able to help with. I recently bought a Denford
>Viceroy milling machine. The spindle takes 30 INT tooling. It came with
>some tooling such as a 30 INT to MT2 sleeve, 27mm arbour for face mill
>etc etc…
>
>For end mills it has a Claskson Autolock chuck with a few of the
>collets included and this is mainly where my questions are.
>There were a few imperial end-mills that came with the unit but I want
>to buy a full set of say 2mm to 20mm mills to get me started.
>The questions then arise
>1)        Will metric end mills fit the imperial autolock collets?

No you need metric collets.

>2)        Does anyone know what the thread is on the collets – is this
>standard with other makes?

Whatever shank size x 20 tpi.

>3)        Where is the best / cheapest place to buy more Autolock collets?

Pass.

>4)        Where is the best place to buy end mills with the threaded shank?

Pass.

>5)        Will end mills that do not have a threaded shank work with the
>autolock collets?

No, not unless you make up a remote threaded piece that allows the
collet to close.

>6)        Am I best of staying with the Autolock system or should I change to
>something else?

As threaded cutters will get harder to get and costly it may pay early
on to switch to one of the ER series chucks.
4 collets in the ER 32 chuck series will hold 4 imperial sizes and 4
metric plus plain shanks or threaded.

>
>Lots of questions – hopefully someone will point me in the right
>direction….
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John Stevenson
Nottingham, England.

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Posted by Tim Leech on October 3, 2006, 10:12 am
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On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 13:47:06 GMT, John Stevenson

>wrote:
>
>>
>>Hi
>>I have a question about Clarkson type S Autolock collets which
>>hopefully people may be able to help with. I recently bought a Denford
>>Viceroy milling machine. The spindle takes 30 INT tooling. It came with
>>some tooling such as a 30 INT to MT2 sleeve, 27mm arbour for face mill
>>etc etc…
>>
>>For end mills it has a Claskson Autolock chuck with a few of the
>>collets included and this is mainly where my questions are.
>>There were a few imperial end-mills that came with the unit but I want
>>to buy a full set of say 2mm to 20mm mills to get me started.
>>The questions then arise
>>1)        Will metric end mills fit the imperial autolock collets?
>
>No you need metric collets.
>
>>2)        Does anyone know what the thread is on the collets – is this
>>standard with other makes?
>
>Whatever shank size x 20 tpi.
>
>>3)        Where is the best / cheapest place to buy more Autolock collets?
>
>Pass.
>

Possibly ebay, or a used tool dealer, or if you're lucky a certain
'homeworkshop' site. They're fairly pricey new.

The metric collets generally have a groove machined on the edge of one
of the 'ears' for identification.

>>4)        Where is the best place to buy end mills with the threaded shank?
>
>Pass.

J&L sell them, their own brand are reasonably priced & aren't bad,
the ones I've bought (actually mainly slot drills) have been 'made in
England'. I've also picked up little packs of Dormer endmills at one
of the shows for what I thought was a fair price.

>
>>5)        Will end mills that do not have a threaded shank work with the
>>autolock collets?
>
>No, not unless you make up a remote threaded piece that allows the
>collet to close.
>
>>6)        Am I best of staying with the Autolock system or should I change to
>>something else?
>
>As threaded cutters will get harder to get and costly it may pay early
>on to switch to one of the ER series chucks.
>4 collets in the ER 32 chuck series will hold 4 imperial sizes and 4
>metric plus plain shanks or threaded.
>
ER are very useful and adaptable, but they aren't as secure for
holding milling cutters. Lots of people say they've never had any
trouble but I've had cutters slipping and pulling down. Autolock won't
do that. ER should be fine if you aren't into heavy cuts.


Cheers
Tim

Dutton Dry-Dock
Traditional & Modern canal craft repairs
Vintage diesel engine service

Posted by lemel_man on October 3, 2006, 1:54 pm
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gn3dr wrote:
> Hi
> I have a question about Clarkson type S Autolock collets which
> hopefully people may be able to help with. I recently bought a Denford
> Viceroy milling machine. The spindle takes 30 INT tooling. It came with
> some tooling such as a 30 INT to MT2 sleeve, 27mm arbour for face mill
> etc etc…
>
> For end mills it has a Claskson Autolock chuck with a few of the
> collets included and this is mainly where my questions are.
> There were a few imperial end-mills that came with the unit but I want
> to buy a full set of say 2mm to 20mm mills to get me started.
> The questions then arise
> 1)        Will metric end mills fit the imperial autolock collets?
> 2)        Does anyone know what the thread is on the collets – is this
> standard with other makes?
> 3)        Where is the best / cheapest place to buy more Autolock collets?
> 4)        Where is the best place to buy end mills with the threaded shank?
> 5)        Will end mills that do not have a threaded shank work with the
> autolock collets?
> 6)        Am I best of staying with the Autolock system or should I change to
> something else?
>
> Lots of questions – hopefully someone will point me in the right
> direction….
>
>
My mill (Centec 2B) also has 30NT taper, and also came with an Autolock
chuck and collets. I found, as you have, that not all my cutters fitted,
especially those with no threads. I splashed out and bought an ER32
system; chuck and full set of collets. I use it all the time; its far
more versatile than the Autolock.

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Posted by gn3dr on October 3, 2006, 6:05 pm
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Thanks for the helpful replies folks
Very knowledgable & informative as usual.

Looks like I have to make some decisions...


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