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Re: Do I need one - Surface Grinder Steve 09-18-2006
Posted by on September 20, 2006, 6:40 am
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Peter Neill wrote:
> On 18 Sep 2006 06:24:18 -0700, jontom_1uk@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> >As Peter F says I have an inkling that this might join the pile of "I
> >will use it - sometime" machines but I do like a good finish. Will a
> >single phase grinder produce a decent finish? My only experience at
> >evening classes some years ago was on three phase machines and one of
> >those was distinctly worse than the others when it came to quality of
> >finish.
>
> Mine is single phase at the moment as I didn't have 3 -phase in the
> workshop when I bought and I swopped the motor over.
> However, I get some very faint surface patterning that I'm convinced
> is down to the single phase motor pulses so I'm going to refit the
> original 3-phase motor and drive it from the converter to see if it
> makes a difference.
>
> The surface grinder mentioned here
>
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.rec.models.engineering/browse_thread/thread/fa3a0b4555c5ed02/0cae54381b67eeb5?lnk=gst&q=surface+grinder+&rnum=7#0cae54381b67eeb5
> is still available and more than likely will probably be open to
> reasonable offers.
>
> Peter

Peter/Andrew thanks for the info it always helps with a decision.

Peter, thanks but I'm not sure I'm ready to jump just yet but if the
fog clears I'll get back to you. When I was working the dream was
retire to "wine and roses" and do just what you want all day. The truth
is run about like a "blue........... " well you know what all day and
getting nowhere. Several (many) weeks ago JG was giving me some advice
on how to set up a newreader, just an hours job. I just haven't had
time to do even that yet. Retirement, I 've never worked so bl***y
hard. Off now to pick up son from hospital, then there's a funeral to
go to then tomorrow........... well if there is enough time I might
just get a few minutes to visit this forum.

Andrew, the J&S 540 seems quite popular but varies in price greatly. I
had thought of a simple hand operated machine like Peter's eagle. Is
there any great advantage to the powered table considering that it will
only get limited (very at the moment) use. I'm also starting to get a
bit tight for room is there a great difference in size?

Best regards

Run ragged of Wales


Posted by Andrew Mawson on September 20, 2006, 7:39 am
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>
> Peter Neill wrote:
> > On 18 Sep 2006 06:24:18 -0700, jontom_1uk@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > >As Peter F says I have an inkling that this might join the pile
of "I
> > >will use it - sometime" machines but I do like a good finish.
Will a
> > >single phase grinder produce a decent finish? My only experience
at
> > >evening classes some years ago was on three phase machines and
one of
> > >those was distinctly worse than the others when it came to
quality of
> > >finish.
> >
> > Mine is single phase at the moment as I didn't have 3 -phase in
the
> > workshop when I bought and I swopped the motor over.
> > However, I get some very faint surface patterning that I'm
convinced
> > is down to the single phase motor pulses so I'm going to refit the
> > original 3-phase motor and drive it from the converter to see if
it
> > makes a difference.
> >
> > The surface grinder mentioned here
> >
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.rec.models.engineering/browse_thread/thread/fa3a0b4555c5ed02/0cae54381b67eeb5?lnk=gst&q=surface+grinder+&rnum=7#0cae54381b67eeb5
> > is still available and more than likely will probably be open to
> > reasonable offers.
> >
> > Peter
>
> Peter/Andrew thanks for the info it always helps with a decision.
>
> Peter, thanks but I'm not sure I'm ready to jump just yet but if the
> fog clears I'll get back to you. When I was working the dream was
> retire to "wine and roses" and do just what you want all day. The
truth
> is run about like a "blue........... " well you know what all day
and
> getting nowhere. Several (many) weeks ago JG was giving me some
advice
> on how to set up a newreader, just an hours job. I just haven't had
> time to do even that yet. Retirement, I 've never worked so bl***y
> hard. Off now to pick up son from hospital, then there's a funeral
to
> go to then tomorrow........... well if there is enough time I might
> just get a few minutes to visit this forum.
>
> Andrew, the J&S 540 seems quite popular but varies in price greatly.
I
> had thought of a simple hand operated machine like Peter's eagle. Is
> there any great advantage to the powered table considering that it
will
> only get limited (very at the moment) use. I'm also starting to get
a
> bit tight for room is there a great difference in size?
>
> Best regards
>
> Run ragged of Wales
>

For several years I had an Eagle hand operated machine with no coolant
facilities. Did some good work on it but it was quite a chore -
eventually automated it with landrover windscreen wiper motors which
made things better. When I got the J&S540 it was like chalk and
cheese. Hydraulic feed is so much smoother than hand feed, and also it
can be left to get on with things while I am occupied elsewhere. I now
find I use the machine far more as not only is it far less of a manual
chore but the accuracy and finish attainable are much better. 540s
used to command huge prices but in recent years ebay has seen some
apparently good machines go for peanuts.

AWEM



Posted by =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nick_M=FCller?= on September 20, 2006, 8:39 am
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> Did some good work on it but it was quite a chore - eventually automated
> it with landrover windscreen wiper motors which made things better.

That's kind of what I intend to do with mine. It's a pain cranking the
table back and forth. At least it has an automatic feed for the side.
Having once worked (just 1 day) on a fine "Jung" with all the feed bells
and whistles ...


Nick
--
The modular DRO
<http://www.yadro.de>
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Posted by Tim Leech on September 20, 2006, 4:48 pm
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On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:39:45 +0100, "Andrew Mawson"

> When I got the J&S540 it was like chalk and
>cheese. Hydraulic feed is so much smoother than hand feed, and also it
>can be left to get on with things while I am occupied elsewhere. I now
>find I use the machine far more as not only is it far less of a manual
>chore but the accuracy and finish attainable are much better. 540s
>used to command huge prices but in recent years ebay has seen some
>apparently good machines go for peanuts.
>
>AWEM
>

Talking to a dealer a few weeks ago, he says the drop in prices is
largely because of changes in the export market.
He reckoned that not many months ago he could get £1k for a 540 in
almost any condition for export, but that suddenly stopped.

One point no-one has mentioned, so far as I've seen, is that there is
a certain amount of overlap between T&C and surface grinders. You can
do some tool grinding on a surface grinder (sharpening endmills is a
prime example) and small surface grinding jobs on a T&C grinder.

Cheers
Tim

Dutton Dry-Dock
Traditional & Modern canal craft repairs
Vintage diesel engine service

Posted by =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nick_M=FCller?= on September 20, 2006, 5:33 pm
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> You can do some tool grinding on a surface grinder (sharpening endmills is
> a prime example)

Only the face or on all sides?
And how does the setup look like?


Thanks,
Nick
--
The modular DRO
<http://www.yadro.de>
Engine models
<http://www.motor-manufaktur.de>

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