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Re: How would you make these? Tim Leech 01-10-2008
Posted by Tim Leech on January 10, 2008, 3:01 pm
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>Tim Leech wrote:
>
>
>> I've annealed quite a few head gaskets etc over the years. My concern
>> when you suggested using the hardest copper available was that it
>> might be an alloy which wouldn't soften as fully as the 'real thing'.
>
> Nope! Copper. Not alloyed copper. The hardest you can get is going to
>be a wrought product of some sort, either a drawn tube, or a rolled
>sheet, to harden it.
>>
>>
>>> For forming it in a die (the die will form the profile, yes, rather
>>>than just cuttin out the rings?) anneal the copper to a dead soft state.
>>>
>>
>>
>> The current plan is to turn up a plain disk, form the profile with the
>> die, then skim off the OD.
>
> The OD is the dimension that has the tight specs on it. Makes sense. I
>would consider trying to work out the dimensions required for the blank,
>to press it to a finished article in one shot.
>
> Know anyone in metals? I shouldn't wonder that there was an aluminum
>alloy suitable for the duty these will do.
>
> Cheers
> Trevor Jones


I've got back to this in the last couple of days & have worked out a
technique which should give consistent results (I'll try to post some
details when the job is done), but I'm having trouble getting
consistent parting-off cuts.
I'm using a thin HSS blade, and found that 'pecking' works better than
a steady feed. Trouble is, sometimes - often enough to be a real pain
- all hell seems to break loose when halfway through, and suddenly
the parting cut becomes a wide vee with burred edges. I can only
imagine that it is a bunching of swarf which causes this, although
usually it comes off in a nice curl, but it happens so quickly that
it's hard to tell. Any suggestions from those who have survived the
copper turning initiation rites?

Cheers
Tim


Posted by Wayne Weedon on January 10, 2008, 3:40 pm
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Tim Leech wrote:

> I've got back to this in the last couple of days & have worked out a
> technique which should give consistent results (I'll try to post some
> details when the job is done), but I'm having trouble getting
> consistent parting-off cuts.
> I'm using a thin HSS blade, and found that 'pecking' works better than
> a steady feed. Trouble is, sometimes - often enough to be a real pain
> - all hell seems to break loose when halfway through, and suddenly
> the parting cut becomes a wide vee with burred edges. I can only
> imagine that it is a bunching of swarf which causes this, although
> usually it comes off in a nice curl, but it happens so quickly that
> it's hard to tell. Any suggestions from those who have survived the
> copper turning initiation rites?


Tim what are you using for coolant?

I find a sulphur based cutting oil works well. Don't use solubles in
my Hardinges.

Wayne......

Posted by Tim Leech on January 10, 2008, 5:29 pm
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>Tim Leech wrote:
>
>> I've got back to this in the last couple of days & have worked out a
>> technique which should give consistent results (I'll try to post some
>> details when the job is done), but I'm having trouble getting
>> consistent parting-off cuts.
>> I'm using a thin HSS blade, and found that 'pecking' works better than
>> a steady feed. Trouble is, sometimes - often enough to be a real pain
>> - all hell seems to break loose when halfway through, and suddenly
>> the parting cut becomes a wide vee with burred edges. I can only
>> imagine that it is a bunching of swarf which causes this, although
>> usually it comes off in a nice curl, but it happens so quickly that
>> it's hard to tell. Any suggestions from those who have survived the
>> copper turning initiation rites?
>
>
>Tim what are you using for coolant?
>
>I find a sulphur based cutting oil works well. Don't use solubles in
>my Hardinges.
>
>Wayne......

Wayne

I was doing this part of the job dry, partly as it's a fairly 'low
power' operation, partly because I haven't got the coolant up &
running on that lathe yet.
I have a handy can of neat cutting oil I could try, or swap to another
lathe with soluble coolant.

Tim


Posted by Dave Baker on January 10, 2008, 5:37 pm
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> I was doing this part of the job dry, partly as it's a fairly 'low
> power' operation, partly because I haven't got the coolant up &
> running on that lathe yet.
> I have a handy can of neat cutting oil I could try, or swap to another
> lathe with soluble coolant.

or give up and let someone else take the grief as suggested in the first
place?
--
Dave Baker
Puma Race Engines



Posted by Tim Leech on January 10, 2008, 5:43 pm
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>
>> I was doing this part of the job dry, partly as it's a fairly 'low
>> power' operation, partly because I haven't got the coolant up &
>> running on that lathe yet.
>> I have a handy can of neat cutting oil I could try, or swap to another
>> lathe with soluble coolant.
>
>or give up and let someone else take the grief as suggested in the first
>place?

Nah, I've done the *hard* work now <g>

Tim


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