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Regrinding live centres Tim Leech 05-20-2008
Posted by Tim Leech on May 20, 2008, 4:14 pm
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I was looking out for a decent new MT2 live centre at Harrogate, there
wasn't much about. Chesters had two qualities, the better one looked
quite good but I was discouraged from giving them my money by the
surly staff response to my enquiries.
I came away instead with a job lot of three used ones from a well
known dealer, he went through all his pile & we agreed most weren't up
to much but these three looked good except that they needed
regrinding.
I was going to take two but he ended up offering me the three for a
fiver each.
Anyway, today I set about regrinding the points.
I've got the benefit of a proper T&C grinder, but the same could be
done on any grinder with some sort of XY table. I set one up in the
universal head at the right angle and hoped they would rotate with the
friction from the grinding wheel. Unfortunately this only worked with
a heavy feed, ok for a roughing pass but no good for finishing.
After a bit of contemplation I glued up a bit of 4mm O-ring cord into
a belt of about 400mm length. Then found that one of my cordless
drills has a bit of a notch on the keyless chuck which is just deep
enough to act as a sort of pulley to keep the O-ring belt in position,
provided it's kept somewhere near into line. It wouldn't be much of a
job to turn up a crude pulley if the chuck wasn't so considerately
designed. Then looping the belt over the nose of the live centre, and
holding the cordless drill in such a position that the chuck 'pulley'
kept the belt pressed against the static body of the centre, I was
able to spin the centre point at a suitable sort of speed. I then had
just enough hands to hold the cordless drill while pulling the trigger
and work the table feeds on the grinder, job done in 5 minutes after
the preparatory work. Yes the belt does have a few notches ground in
in where it slipped off as my concentration wandered from one part of
the excercise to another, but it is still intact after regrinding all
three.
I didn't have any spare hands to take a picture, though!

Of course, if doing the job regularly a proper fixture would be worth
making, but for a once-in-a-blue-moon job like this it would be a
waste of time.

Tim


Posted by Richard Edwards on May 21, 2008, 1:25 am
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On Tue, 20 May 2008 21:14:43 +0100, Tim Leech

>I was looking out for a decent new MT2 live centre at Harrogate, there
>wasn't much about. Chesters had two qualities, the better one looked
>quite good but I was discouraged from giving them my money by the
>surly staff response to my enquiries.
>I came away instead with a job lot of three used ones from a well
>known dealer, he went through all his pile & we agreed most weren't up
>to much but these three looked good except that they needed
>regrinding.
>I was going to take two but he ended up offering me the three for a
>fiver each.
>Anyway, today I set about regrinding the points.
>I've got the benefit of a proper T&C grinder, but the same could be
>done on any grinder with some sort of XY table. I set one up in the
>universal head at the right angle and hoped they would rotate with the
>friction from the grinding wheel. Unfortunately this only worked with
>a heavy feed, ok for a roughing pass but no good for finishing.
>After a bit of contemplation I glued up a bit of 4mm O-ring cord into
>a belt of about 400mm length. Then found that one of my cordless
>drills has a bit of a notch on the keyless chuck which is just deep
>enough to act as a sort of pulley to keep the O-ring belt in position,
>provided it's kept somewhere near into line. It wouldn't be much of a
>job to turn up a crude pulley if the chuck wasn't so considerately
>designed. Then looping the belt over the nose of the live centre, and
>holding the cordless drill in such a position that the chuck 'pulley'
>kept the belt pressed against the static body of the centre, I was
>able to spin the centre point at a suitable sort of speed. I then had
>just enough hands to hold the cordless drill while pulling the trigger
>and work the table feeds on the grinder, job done in 5 minutes after
>the preparatory work. Yes the belt does have a few notches ground in
>in where it slipped off as my concentration wandered from one part of
>the excercise to another, but it is still intact after regrinding all
>three.
>I didn't have any spare hands to take a picture, though!
>
>Of course, if doing the job regularly a proper fixture would be worth
>making, but for a once-in-a-blue-moon job like this it would be a
>waste of time.
>
>Tim

Luckily the Old "Archer" that I have has a hole down the MT3 taper. A
bit of M6 studding gained enough purchase to allow spinning with the
cordless drill. SWMBO operated the drill whilst I ground using a
cobbled up grinder made from a router. Worked OK. Main problem is the
head of the centre is 65mm diameter and it often gets in the way <G>
I will remember your option for a future "smaller diameter" centre.

--

Richard

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Posted by Andrew Mawson on May 21, 2008, 2:51 am
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> I was looking out for a decent new MT2 live centre at Harrogate,
there
> wasn't much about. Chesters had two qualities, the better one looked
> quite good but I was discouraged from giving them my money by the
> surly staff response to my enquiries.
> I came away instead with a job lot of three used ones from a well
> known dealer, he went through all his pile & we agreed most weren't
up
> to much but these three looked good except that they needed
> regrinding.
> I was going to take two but he ended up offering me the three for a
> fiver each.
> Anyway, today I set about regrinding the points.
> I've got the benefit of a proper T&C grinder, but the same could be
> done on any grinder with some sort of XY table. I set one up in the
> universal head at the right angle and hoped they would rotate with
the
> friction from the grinding wheel. Unfortunately this only worked
with
> a heavy feed, ok for a roughing pass but no good for finishing.
> After a bit of contemplation I glued up a bit of 4mm O-ring cord
into
> a belt of about 400mm length. Then found that one of my cordless
> drills has a bit of a notch on the keyless chuck which is just deep
> enough to act as a sort of pulley to keep the O-ring belt in
position,
> provided it's kept somewhere near into line. It wouldn't be much of
a
> job to turn up a crude pulley if the chuck wasn't so considerately
> designed. Then looping the belt over the nose of the live centre,
and
> holding the cordless drill in such a position that the chuck
'pulley'
> kept the belt pressed against the static body of the centre, I was
> able to spin the centre point at a suitable sort of speed. I then
had
> just enough hands to hold the cordless drill while pulling the
trigger
> and work the table feeds on the grinder, job done in 5 minutes after
> the preparatory work. Yes the belt does have a few notches ground in
> in where it slipped off as my concentration wandered from one part
of
> the excercise to another, but it is still intact after regrinding
all
> three.
> I didn't have any spare hands to take a picture, though!
>
> Of course, if doing the job regularly a proper fixture would be
worth
> making, but for a once-in-a-blue-moon job like this it would be a
> waste of time.
>
> Tim
>

J&S 1300 cylindrical grinder with 3MT female in the live work head,
swivle work head to require angle and grind to perfection. I'd do it
for you but mine's still in storage!!!!

Andrew


Posted by David on May 21, 2008, 3:27 am
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I was thinking of putting mine (after getting a new bearing for it, but my
center is a big and chunky one) in the headstock of the lathe, move my
compound slide to 30degrees, and use a toolpost grinder (like I just did
with my chuck jaws).

Anything wrong with this? Is it a problem if the center free revolves
(whilst also revolving when the lathe is switched on)?

--
Best regards,
Dave Colliver.
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>
>> I was looking out for a decent new MT2 live centre at Harrogate,
> there
>> wasn't much about. Chesters had two qualities, the better one looked
>> quite good but I was discouraged from giving them my money by the
>> surly staff response to my enquiries.
>> I came away instead with a job lot of three used ones from a well
>> known dealer, he went through all his pile & we agreed most weren't
> up
>> to much but these three looked good except that they needed
>> regrinding.
>> I was going to take two but he ended up offering me the three for a
>> fiver each.
>> Anyway, today I set about regrinding the points.
>> I've got the benefit of a proper T&C grinder, but the same could be
>> done on any grinder with some sort of XY table. I set one up in the
>> universal head at the right angle and hoped they would rotate with
> the
>> friction from the grinding wheel. Unfortunately this only worked
> with
>> a heavy feed, ok for a roughing pass but no good for finishing.
>> After a bit of contemplation I glued up a bit of 4mm O-ring cord
> into
>> a belt of about 400mm length. Then found that one of my cordless
>> drills has a bit of a notch on the keyless chuck which is just deep
>> enough to act as a sort of pulley to keep the O-ring belt in
> position,
>> provided it's kept somewhere near into line. It wouldn't be much of
> a
>> job to turn up a crude pulley if the chuck wasn't so considerately
>> designed. Then looping the belt over the nose of the live centre,
> and
>> holding the cordless drill in such a position that the chuck
> 'pulley'
>> kept the belt pressed against the static body of the centre, I was
>> able to spin the centre point at a suitable sort of speed. I then
> had
>> just enough hands to hold the cordless drill while pulling the
> trigger
>> and work the table feeds on the grinder, job done in 5 minutes after
>> the preparatory work. Yes the belt does have a few notches ground in
>> in where it slipped off as my concentration wandered from one part
> of
>> the excercise to another, but it is still intact after regrinding
> all
>> three.
>> I didn't have any spare hands to take a picture, though!
>>
>> Of course, if doing the job regularly a proper fixture would be
> worth
>> making, but for a once-in-a-blue-moon job like this it would be a
>> waste of time.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>
> J&S 1300 cylindrical grinder with 3MT female in the live work head,
> swivle work head to require angle and grind to perfection. I'd do it
> for you but mine's still in storage!!!!
>
> Andrew
>



Posted by Tim Leech on May 21, 2008, 3:34 am
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On Wed, 21 May 2008 08:27:26 +0100, "David"

>I was thinking of putting mine (after getting a new bearing for it, but my
>center is a big and chunky one) in the headstock of the lathe, move my
>compound slide to 30degrees, and use a toolpost grinder (like I just did
>with my chuck jaws).
>
>Anything wrong with this? Is it a problem if the center free revolves
>(whilst also revolving when the lathe is switched on)?

My thinking was that the best result would be achieved with the body
static and the centre revolving in its own bearings, any error then
should be from the manufacture of the unit rather than the regrinding
process. Others may have a different view.

Cheers
Tim


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