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Posted by on July 19, 2008, 9:46 pm
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Greetings All,
I have and use a Troyke 12 inch cross slide rotary table (R/T). Before
the advent of widespread CNC milling machines these tools were
practically indispensible to mold makers and machinists making complex
parts with radii blending into straight or curved surfaces. I also
have a 4 inch rotary table. This little table is perfect for some of
the small one off parts I make but if they get too complex I either
make 'em on the CNC or use the giant Troyke. Seeing the need for a
smaller cross slide R/T I designed and have started making a cross
slide to fit the little 4 inch R/T. It's 6 inches square because I
wanted a little more room for clamps. It occurred to me last night
that this cross slide might also be something that model makers would
like. Unlike the small cross slides available that I have seen my
design is compact and low profile. It is also square with equal travel
in both axes. Pretty much a copy of the Troyke but on a much smaller
(and lighter!) scale. I'm posting this message in this newsgroup
because it seems to me that the UK has many more people interested in
model engineering than here in the US. And I'm wondering if there
would be much of a market in the UK for plans, a kit, or a finished
product. Any ideas anybody?
Cheers,
Eric R Snow
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Posted by Trevor Jones on July 20, 2008, 1:10 am
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etpm@whidbey.com wrote:
> Greetings All,
> I have and use a Troyke 12 inch cross slide rotary table (R/T). Before
> the advent of widespread CNC milling machines these tools were
> practically indispensible to mold makers and machinists making complex
> parts with radii blending into straight or curved surfaces. I also
> have a 4 inch rotary table. This little table is perfect for some of
> the small one off parts I make but if they get too complex I either
> make 'em on the CNC or use the giant Troyke. Seeing the need for a
> smaller cross slide R/T I designed and have started making a cross
> slide to fit the little 4 inch R/T. It's 6 inches square because I
> wanted a little more room for clamps. It occurred to me last night
> that this cross slide might also be something that model makers would
> like. Unlike the small cross slides available that I have seen my
> design is compact and low profile. It is also square with equal travel
> in both axes. Pretty much a copy of the Troyke but on a much smaller
> (and lighter!) scale. I'm posting this message in this newsgroup
> because it seems to me that the UK has many more people interested in
> model engineering than here in the US. And I'm wondering if there
> would be much of a market in the UK for plans, a kit, or a finished
> product. Any ideas anybody?
> Cheers,
> Eric R Snow
Have you seen the one that was published in Home Shop Machinist a year
or two back?
I was pretty interested in programming the CNC mill at work to cut a
base for the R/T portion, and it turned into a nightmare really fast,
when the dimensions started adding up wrong.
The reply from the editor was not promising either.
It still looked like a decent project, just not one that could be done
relying upon the dimensions given as being accurate.
The PITA part of the equation is that the really small mills don't
have the headroom for the stacked pile o bits, while the ones that do
have the room, want a little larger R/T and slides.
Hell, I'd be pretty interested in a decent, low profile, smooth
turning rotary table, suitable for my Centec or on the slide of my
Myford. The small, nice ones that I have seen go by were huge money, and
the small affordable ones were not worth buying for being so rough.
Best of luck getting this going. An article written and submitted to
one of the Model Engineering magazines would very likely rouse some
interest in kits, if one were to go that way.
Cheers
Trevor Jones
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Posted by on July 20, 2008, 2:52 pm
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>etpm@whidbey.com wrote:
>> Greetings All,
>> I have and use a Troyke 12 inch cross slide rotary table (R/T). Before
>> the advent of widespread CNC milling machines these tools were
>> practically indispensible to mold makers and machinists making complex
>> parts with radii blending into straight or curved surfaces. I also
>> have a 4 inch rotary table. This little table is perfect for some of
>> the small one off parts I make but if they get too complex I either
>> make 'em on the CNC or use the giant Troyke. Seeing the need for a
>> smaller cross slide R/T I designed and have started making a cross
>> slide to fit the little 4 inch R/T. It's 6 inches square because I
>> wanted a little more room for clamps. It occurred to me last night
>> that this cross slide might also be something that model makers would
>> like. Unlike the small cross slides available that I have seen my
>> design is compact and low profile. It is also square with equal travel
>> in both axes. Pretty much a copy of the Troyke but on a much smaller
>> (and lighter!) scale. I'm posting this message in this newsgroup
>> because it seems to me that the UK has many more people interested in
>> model engineering than here in the US. And I'm wondering if there
>> would be much of a market in the UK for plans, a kit, or a finished
>> product. Any ideas anybody?
>> Cheers,
>> Eric R Snow
>
> Have you seen the one that was published in Home Shop Machinist a year
>or two back?
>
> I was pretty interested in programming the CNC mill at work to cut a
>base for the R/T portion, and it turned into a nightmare really fast,
>when the dimensions started adding up wrong.
>
> The reply from the editor was not promising either.
>
> It still looked like a decent project, just not one that could be done
>relying upon the dimensions given as being accurate.
>
> The PITA part of the equation is that the really small mills don't
>have the headroom for the stacked pile o bits, while the ones that do
>have the room, want a little larger R/T and slides.
>
> Hell, I'd be pretty interested in a decent, low profile, smooth
>turning rotary table, suitable for my Centec or on the slide of my
>Myford. The small, nice ones that I have seen go by were huge money, and
>the small affordable ones were not worth buying for being so rough.
>
> Best of luck getting this going. An article written and submitted to
>one of the Model Engineering magazines would very likely rouse some
>interest in kits, if one were to go that way.
>
> Cheers
> Trevor Jones
>
Greetings Trevor,
Thanks for the reply. One of the reasons I'm making the cross slide
is because I want as low a profile as possible. With the small table
on a Bridgeport it doesn't make that much difference. But the low
profile also has the advantage of being more rigid. Nevertheless it
still will use up about 1 1/2 inches of spindle to table clearance. I
guess what I'll do is finish the thing and if I like it correct my
drawings and post them to the dropbox. If people like them I'll
consider writing an article.
The cross slide would need to be adapted to an existing R/T. I have
seen plans for low profile ones. The little 4 incher I have is a
Taiwanese one that I bought considering it a semi-finished kit. It
wasn't real accurate when I got it but I went through the whole thing
and now it's a fine tool.
Cheers,
Eric
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Posted by Trevor Jones on July 20, 2008, 10:59 pm
Please log in for more thread options etpm@whidbey.com wrote:
> wrote:
>
>
>>etpm@whidbey.com wrote:
>>
>>>Greetings All,
>>>I have and use a Troyke 12 inch cross slide rotary table (R/T). Before
>>>the advent of widespread CNC milling machines these tools were
>>>practically indispensible to mold makers and machinists making complex
>>>parts with radii blending into straight or curved surfaces. I also
>>>have a 4 inch rotary table. This little table is perfect for some of
>>>the small one off parts I make but if they get too complex I either
>>>make 'em on the CNC or use the giant Troyke. Seeing the need for a
>>>smaller cross slide R/T I designed and have started making a cross
>>>slide to fit the little 4 inch R/T. It's 6 inches square because I
>>>wanted a little more room for clamps. It occurred to me last night
>>>that this cross slide might also be something that model makers would
>>>like. Unlike the small cross slides available that I have seen my
>>>design is compact and low profile. It is also square with equal travel
>>>in both axes. Pretty much a copy of the Troyke but on a much smaller
>>>(and lighter!) scale. I'm posting this message in this newsgroup
>>>because it seems to me that the UK has many more people interested in
>>>model engineering than here in the US. And I'm wondering if there
>>>would be much of a market in the UK for plans, a kit, or a finished
>>>product. Any ideas anybody?
>>>Cheers,
>>>Eric R Snow
>>
>> Have you seen the one that was published in Home Shop Machinist a year
>>or two back?
>>
>> I was pretty interested in programming the CNC mill at work to cut a
>>base for the R/T portion, and it turned into a nightmare really fast,
>>when the dimensions started adding up wrong.
>>
>> The reply from the editor was not promising either.
>>
>> It still looked like a decent project, just not one that could be done
>>relying upon the dimensions given as being accurate.
>>
>> The PITA part of the equation is that the really small mills don't
>>have the headroom for the stacked pile o bits, while the ones that do
>>have the room, want a little larger R/T and slides.
>>
>> Hell, I'd be pretty interested in a decent, low profile, smooth
>>turning rotary table, suitable for my Centec or on the slide of my
>>Myford. The small, nice ones that I have seen go by were huge money, and
>>the small affordable ones were not worth buying for being so rough.
>>
>> Best of luck getting this going. An article written and submitted to
>>one of the Model Engineering magazines would very likely rouse some
>>interest in kits, if one were to go that way.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Trevor Jones
>>
>
> Greetings Trevor,
> Thanks for the reply. One of the reasons I'm making the cross slide
> is because I want as low a profile as possible. With the small table
> on a Bridgeport it doesn't make that much difference. But the low
> profile also has the advantage of being more rigid. Nevertheless it
> still will use up about 1 1/2 inches of spindle to table clearance. I
> guess what I'll do is finish the thing and if I like it correct my
> drawings and post them to the dropbox. If people like them I'll
> consider writing an article.
> The cross slide would need to be adapted to an existing R/T. I have
> seen plans for low profile ones. The little 4 incher I have is a
> Taiwanese one that I bought considering it a semi-finished kit. It
> wasn't real accurate when I got it but I went through the whole thing
> and now it's a fine tool.
> Cheers,
> Eric
Well that right there is a pretty good subject for a written article.
Some of the asian import R/T's I have looked at in person were, well,
nasty.
If you can massage one into a decent running rotary table with only a
little work, then that in it's own right is an accomplishment.
I have a Myford lathe, an Aamco shaper, and a Centec 2A mill.
The Centec is REALLY challenged for height, really needing a riser to
do anything much larger than small model stuff with small cutters.
It has about the same work envelope as a Sherline mill, except it has
several hundred pounds of cast iron in it, rather than 15 pounds of
aluminum.
Got any sketches? I'd be interested in seeing the design.
Cheers
Trevor Jones
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Posted by on July 21, 2008, 12:58 pm
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>etpm@whidbey.com wrote:
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>etpm@whidbey.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>Greetings All,
>>>>I have and use a Troyke 12 inch cross slide rotary table (R/T). Before
>>>>the advent of widespread CNC milling machines these tools were
>>>>practically indispensible to mold makers and machinists making complex
>>>>parts with radii blending into straight or curved surfaces. I also
>>>>have a 4 inch rotary table. This little table is perfect for some of
>>>>the small one off parts I make but if they get too complex I either
>>>>make 'em on the CNC or use the giant Troyke. Seeing the need for a
>>>>smaller cross slide R/T I designed and have started making a cross
>>>>slide to fit the little 4 inch R/T. It's 6 inches square because I
>>>>wanted a little more room for clamps. It occurred to me last night
>>>>that this cross slide might also be something that model makers would
>>>>like. Unlike the small cross slides available that I have seen my
>>>>design is compact and low profile. It is also square with equal travel
>>>>in both axes. Pretty much a copy of the Troyke but on a much smaller
>>>>(and lighter!) scale. I'm posting this message in this newsgroup
>>>>because it seems to me that the UK has many more people interested in
>>>>model engineering than here in the US. And I'm wondering if there
>>>>would be much of a market in the UK for plans, a kit, or a finished
>>>>product. Any ideas anybody?
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>Eric R Snow
>>>
>>> Have you seen the one that was published in Home Shop Machinist a year
>>>or two back?
>>>
>>> I was pretty interested in programming the CNC mill at work to cut a
>>>base for the R/T portion, and it turned into a nightmare really fast,
>>>when the dimensions started adding up wrong.
>>>
>>> The reply from the editor was not promising either.
>>>
>>> It still looked like a decent project, just not one that could be done
>>>relying upon the dimensions given as being accurate.
>>>
>>> The PITA part of the equation is that the really small mills don't
>>>have the headroom for the stacked pile o bits, while the ones that do
>>>have the room, want a little larger R/T and slides.
>>>
>>> Hell, I'd be pretty interested in a decent, low profile, smooth
>>>turning rotary table, suitable for my Centec or on the slide of my
>>>Myford. The small, nice ones that I have seen go by were huge money, and
>>>the small affordable ones were not worth buying for being so rough.
>>>
>>> Best of luck getting this going. An article written and submitted to
>>>one of the Model Engineering magazines would very likely rouse some
>>>interest in kits, if one were to go that way.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Trevor Jones
>>>
>>
>> Greetings Trevor,
>> Thanks for the reply. One of the reasons I'm making the cross slide
>> is because I want as low a profile as possible. With the small table
>> on a Bridgeport it doesn't make that much difference. But the low
>> profile also has the advantage of being more rigid. Nevertheless it
>> still will use up about 1 1/2 inches of spindle to table clearance. I
>> guess what I'll do is finish the thing and if I like it correct my
>> drawings and post them to the dropbox. If people like them I'll
>> consider writing an article.
>> The cross slide would need to be adapted to an existing R/T. I have
>> seen plans for low profile ones. The little 4 incher I have is a
>> Taiwanese one that I bought considering it a semi-finished kit. It
>> wasn't real accurate when I got it but I went through the whole thing
>> and now it's a fine tool.
>> Cheers,
>> Eric
>
> Well that right there is a pretty good subject for a written article.
>
> Some of the asian import R/T's I have looked at in person were, well,
>nasty.
>
> If you can massage one into a decent running rotary table with only a
>little work, then that in it's own right is an accomplishment.
>
> I have a Myford lathe, an Aamco shaper, and a Centec 2A mill.
>
> The Centec is REALLY challenged for height, really needing a riser to
>do anything much larger than small model stuff with small cutters.
>
> It has about the same work envelope as a Sherline mill, except it has
>several hundred pounds of cast iron in it, rather than 15 pounds of
>aluminum.
>
> Got any sketches? I'd be interested in seeing the design.
>
> Cheers
> Trevor Jones
>
Greetings Trevor,
Sketches of the cross slide or of the rotary table fixes? I have
drawings of the cross slide but am correcting them as I make the
parts. When they are complete I'll post them to the dropbox.
Eric
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> I have and use a Troyke 12 inch cross slide rotary table (R/T). Before
> the advent of widespread CNC milling machines these tools were
> practically indispensible to mold makers and machinists making complex
> parts with radii blending into straight or curved surfaces. I also
> have a 4 inch rotary table. This little table is perfect for some of
> the small one off parts I make but if they get too complex I either
> make 'em on the CNC or use the giant Troyke. Seeing the need for a
> smaller cross slide R/T I designed and have started making a cross
> slide to fit the little 4 inch R/T. It's 6 inches square because I
> wanted a little more room for clamps. It occurred to me last night
> that this cross slide might also be something that model makers would
> like. Unlike the small cross slides available that I have seen my
> design is compact and low profile. It is also square with equal travel
> in both axes. Pretty much a copy of the Troyke but on a much smaller
> (and lighter!) scale. I'm posting this message in this newsgroup
> because it seems to me that the UK has many more people interested in
> model engineering than here in the US. And I'm wondering if there
> would be much of a market in the UK for plans, a kit, or a finished
> product. Any ideas anybody?
> Cheers,
> Eric R Snow