Worn Poly V Pulley

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Worn Poly V Pulley Jim Guthrie 09-03-2008
Posted by on September 3, 2008, 12:04 pm
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The alternator belt on my Citroen Xsara diesel broke at the weekend
and I got it replaced at the garage yesterday. However this was not a
simple (or cheap!!) replacement. The belt was still basically in
one piece but had come off the poly V pulley on the crankshaft and
jammed itself between the belt tensioner and the camshaft cover, badly
bending the tensioner and breaking the camshaft cover.

However the surpise was that there were no grooves left on the
crankshaft pulley. The pulley ressembled a flat belt pulley with only
an occasional slight impression of where the bottom of a groove had
been. All the other driven pulleys were OK and what remained of the
old belt also still looked like a poly V belt. The garage people had
never seen anything like it and we are left wondering how the grooves
had, effectively, been ground off the pulley.

The car is almost exactly five years old with 120,000 on the clock and
the belt was the original as far as we can tell.

Jim.

Posted by Boo on September 3, 2008, 4:27 pm
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> However the surpise was that there were no grooves left on the
> crankshaft pulley. The pulley ressembled a flat belt pulley with only
> an occasional slight impression of where the bottom of a groove had
> been. All the other driven pulleys were OK and what remained of the
> old belt also still looked like a poly V belt. The garage people had
> never seen anything like it and we are left wondering how the grooves
> had, effectively, been ground off the pulley.

More likely the grooves were never there ? It is a Citroen after all... I've
had 3 in the past (2 * BX + 1 * Xantia) and although they had some definite
advantages (esp the better of the 2 BXs) I eventually swore off them on grounds
of unreliability + servicing costs.

--
Boo

Posted by Christopher Tidy on September 3, 2008, 9:53 pm
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Boo wrote:
>> However the surpise was that there were no grooves left on the
>> crankshaft pulley. The pulley ressembled a flat belt pulley with only
>> an occasional slight impression of where the bottom of a groove had
>> been. All the other driven pulleys were OK and what remained of the
>> old belt also still looked like a poly V belt. The garage people had
>> never seen anything like it and we are left wondering how the grooves
>> had, effectively, been ground off the pulley.
>
>
> More likely the grooves were never there ? It is a Citroen after
> all... I've had 3 in the past (2 * BX + 1 * Xantia) and although they
> had some definite advantages (esp the better of the 2 BXs) I eventually
> swore off them on grounds of unreliability + servicing costs.

I agree. It takes a long time and many belts to wear out pulleys. I have
a pair of cast iron V-belt pulleys which were in use for several hours
daily for 50+ years, and the wear to the grooves is only just
noticeable. I also think (but am not completely certain) that I've seen
poly-V belts running on pulleys without grooves in washing machines. The
grooves are most important on small diameter pulleys.

Best wishes,

Chris


Posted by David Powell on September 5, 2008, 11:22 am
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uk.rec.models.engineering wrote:

>Boo wrote:
>>> However the surpise was that there were no grooves left on the
>>> crankshaft pulley. The pulley ressembled a flat belt pulley with only
>>> an occasional slight impression of where the bottom of a groove had
>>> been. All the other driven pulleys were OK and what remained of the
>>> old belt also still looked like a poly V belt. The garage people had
>>> never seen anything like it and we are left wondering how the grooves
>>> had, effectively, been ground off the pulley.
>>
>>
>> More likely the grooves were never there ? It is a Citroen after
>> all... I've had 3 in the past (2 * BX + 1 * Xantia) and although they
>> had some definite advantages (esp the better of the 2 BXs) I eventually
>> swore off them on grounds of unreliability + servicing costs.
>
>I agree. It takes a long time and many belts to wear out pulleys. I have
>a pair of cast iron V-belt pulleys which were in use for several hours
>daily for 50+ years, and the wear to the grooves is only just
>noticeable. I also think (but am not completely certain) that I've seen
>poly-V belts running on pulleys without grooves in washing machines. The
>grooves are most important on small diameter pulleys.
>
>Best wishes,
>

Dunno, those continentals have funny ideas about belts, etc. I once
bought a Holzer vertical panel saw at a silly price. Took me about a
fortnight to rewire and rebuild the control box so that it worked
(two dimensional X,Y motion). Lasted about 2 years. The 5hp saw
moved vertically on a carriage positioned by ~3/32" stranded steel
wire over aluminium pulleys. Guess what?? The wire sawed thro' the
pulleys. I did get it dismantled with great difficulty, gave up
trying to get all the bits back together.

Regards,

David P.



Posted by Peter Neill on September 4, 2008, 4:29 am
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On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:27:47 +0100, Boo

>
>More likely the grooves were never there ? It is a Citroen after all... I've
>had 3 in the past (2 * BX + 1 * Xantia) and although they had some definite
>advantages (esp the better of the 2 BXs) I eventually swore off them on grounds
>of unreliability + servicing costs.

I've had exactly the same - 2 * BX + 1* Xantia, and conversely my
experience has been just the opposite.
The Citroens have probably been some of the most reliable cars I've
ever owned and servicing costs very really very low, although in
fairness I did these myself.

My 1st BX (petrol) was written off by the RAC. They were towing it
without the steering lock on after a belt broke and they didn't have
one to fit, and within less than 1/2 a mile on a windy road they
collected 3 cars and a lorry as the BX swung across to the other side.
Got me a spot in the national press and an invitation (declined) from
Johnny Vaughn to appear on the Big Breakfast (there were odd
circumstances surrounding the incident..)

The 2nd BX (petrol) did over 40,000 miles one year, and went to France
over the Route Napoleon several times laden with family and luggage
without complaint.

The Xantia (diesel) put on 70,000 miles in 3 years with just oil and
filter changes, still doing the annual trip over the french alps and a
couple of F1 pilgrimages to Monaco. I did have one breakdown where the
plastic clip holding the cable to the clutch pedal broke, but luckily
this happened just a mile from home.

The hydraulics that seem to put people off are really a piece of pi**
to work on, and I wote a piece about servicing the suspension
cylinders for the BX forum about 8-9 years ago.
I used to replace the spheres once a year as part of an annual
service, using pattern ones from Andyspares in Reading for around £12
each, as opposed to £80 each from citroen. It was less than 30 minutes
work and £50 cost to maintain a superb level of comfort.

Maybe I was just lucky with mine.

Peter

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