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Posted by Greg on October 3, 2006, 4:50 pm
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> I think both Roger Warren and Ketan Swali would take offence at your crude
> generalisations. I have equipment from both companies and neither appear
to
> me to be in business to "sell cheap Chinese crap". The design and
> manufacture of my chinese lathe is far superior to the Machine Mart
chinese
> lathe of 10 years ago and what the price has dictated isn't that I have to
> accept "crap" but limited functionality - no clutch, no back gear, no
screw
> cutting gear box, no power cross feed (if thats what its called). Neither
> company has compromised on customer service either.
Yes the Chinese are making better stuff than they once did, but a wander
around any model engineering exhibition still shows that if you buy cheap
you get what you pay for, and those are all exhibition models that have been
'prepared'. The very fact that some suppliers offer to 'prepare' your
purchase for an extra charge speaks volumes about the state of what comes
out of China at these prices.
Greg
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Posted by Steve W on October 3, 2006, 5:38 pm
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>> I think both Roger Warren and Ketan Swali would take offence at your
>> crude
>> generalisations. I have equipment from both companies and neither appear
> to
>> me to be in business to "sell cheap Chinese crap". The design and
>> manufacture of my chinese lathe is far superior to the Machine Mart
> chinese
>> lathe of 10 years ago and what the price has dictated isn't that I have
>> to
>> accept "crap" but limited functionality - no clutch, no back gear, no
> screw
>> cutting gear box, no power cross feed (if thats what its called).
>> Neither
>> company has compromised on customer service either.
>
> Yes the Chinese are making better stuff than they once did, but a wander
> around any model engineering exhibition still shows that if you buy cheap
> you get what you pay for, and those are all exhibition models that have
> been
> 'prepared'. The very fact that some suppliers offer to 'prepare' your
> purchase for an extra charge speaks volumes about the state of what comes
> out of China at these prices.
>
> Greg
>
>
The "preparing" is typically cleaning off the rust preventative gunk,
lubricating and setting up, not replacing bearings, re-grinding beds or
generally modifying the machine so I don't understand your point at all.
Mind you if I parted with £5k-£13k for a new Myford I would expect a
machinist to be supplied to operate it for me.
Steve
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Posted by Greg on October 3, 2006, 5:45 pm
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> The "preparing" is typically cleaning off the rust preventative gunk,
> lubricating and setting up, not replacing bearings, re-grinding beds or
> generally modifying the machine so I don't understand your point at all.
That may be what they say in the brochure but the reality is different, many
of these Chinese imports just don't work in the state they arrive because
the factories have virtually no quality control (someone in this thread
returned one for that reason I believe) and 'preparing' involves remedying
such problems.
Greg
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Posted by Allan Waterfall on October 4, 2006, 5:01 am
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Greg Wrote:
>
> That may be what they say in the brochure but the reality is different,
> many
> of these Chinese imports just don't work in the state they arrive
> because
> the factories have virtually no quality control (someone in this
> thread
> returned one for that reason I believe) and 'preparing' involves
> remedying
> such problems.
>
> Greg
If you're refering to the 626 mill I sent back,I would have been quite
happy
with the mill.It was Chesters who added the cast iron dust to the
ways,left
fixing screws out,miss-aligned the motor,scratched the bed by
dragging a sharp
cornered object over it,only supplied six of the ER 32
collets,five of which had
no protection round them and were free to bang
against each other in a carrier
bag and one of those six was full of
rust and unuseable.
All the above had nothing to do with the quality of the original
machine,as I
said before it was Chester who managed to turn the mill
into a POS.There were
also other problems with the machine that were
purely down to Chester.
Allan
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Posted by John Stevenson on October 3, 2006, 6:22 pm
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>
>> I think both Roger Warren and Ketan Swali would take offence at your crude
>> generalisations. I have equipment from both companies and neither appear
>to
>> me to be in business to "sell cheap Chinese crap". The design and
>> manufacture of my chinese lathe is far superior to the Machine Mart
>chinese
>> lathe of 10 years ago and what the price has dictated isn't that I have to
>> accept "crap" but limited functionality - no clutch, no back gear, no
>screw
>> cutting gear box, no power cross feed (if thats what its called). Neither
>> company has compromised on customer service either.
>
>Yes the Chinese are making better stuff than they once did, but a wander
>around any model engineering exhibition still shows that if you buy cheap
>you get what you pay for, and those are all exhibition models that have been
>'prepared'. The very fact that some suppliers offer to 'prepare' your
>purchase for an extra charge speaks volumes about the state of what comes
>out of China at these prices.
>
>Greg
>
A point here Greg on the exhibition models.
Many of the machines on show are actually poor relations of what you
can expect from current shipments.
Many of these are first generation or second generation of machines
when the supplier is probably on their 10 shipment.
They can't afford to keep changing show models over, fitting them to
transit stands etc for every shipment.
As regards preparing, the public and shipper do this all the while <g>
Many have got bent handles, missing knobs from light fingered parties
etc.
With the odd exception of a new model I'll bet you that most off the
shelf items are better than show models.
--
Regards,
John Stevenson
Nottingham, England.
Visit the new Model Engineering adverts page at:-
http://www.homeworkshop.org.uk/
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