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gas valve/tap pete 01-21-2008
Posted by dave sanderson on January 22, 2008, 4:34 am
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>
> > Anonymous. wrote:
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> >> >I know this is`nt model engineering but it`s to do with my workshop.
> >> > I`m thinking of converting a propane bottle into a wood burning stove=

> >> > for my workshop. I need to take off the gas valve/tap on the top of
> >> > the bottle so =A0I can fill the bottle with water to get rid of any g=
as
> >> > in there. My question is this, which way does it turn? I`ve tried
> >> > clockwise and anticlockwise but to no avail. Regards Pete
> >> You will be guilty of criminal damage because when you obtained
> >> your first cylinder you signed an agreement that the cylinders
> >> belonged to the gas company and you were only hiring them.
> > I *KNOW* I have never signed such an agreement for one,
> > and I doubt the travelers who dump them round here did either....
>
> So you are going to knowingly receive stolen goods and convert
> them (both in the technical and also the legal sense) for your own
> purposes?

I never said that, just that *I* have never had to sign such an
agreement

Posted by Peter Neill on January 22, 2008, 5:10 am
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 On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 01:34:15 -0800 (PST), dave sanderson

>>
>>
>> > Anonymous. wrote:
>> >> >I know this is`nt model engineering but it`s to do with my workshop.
>> >> > I`m thinking of converting a propane bottle into a wood burning stove
>> >> > for my workshop. I need to take off the gas valve/tap on the top of
>> >> > the bottle so  I can fill the bottle with water to get rid of any gas
>> >> > in there. My question is this, which way does it turn? I`ve tried
>> >> > clockwise and anticlockwise but to no avail. Regards Pete
>> >> You will be guilty of criminal damage because when you obtained
>> >> your first cylinder you signed an agreement that the cylinders
>> >> belonged to the gas company and you were only hiring them.
>> > I *KNOW* I have never signed such an agreement for one,
>> > and I doubt the travelers who dump them round here did either....
>>
>> So you are going to knowingly receive stolen goods and convert
>> them (both in the technical and also the legal sense) for your own
>> purposes?
>
>I never said that, just that *I* have never had to sign such an
>agreement

Neither have I, FWIW, and nor did the moulding factory I used to run,
and we used these for both the workshop and the forklift truck.

Perhaps there may be an agreement in place where 'anonymous' gets his
cylinders from, but he is being rather pedantic IMO.

Incidentally, a friend is just moving from is smallholding and had
half a dozen propane bottles he needed to get rid of. A mixed lot from
Calor, Shellgas, and others. When he tried to return these to 2 local
outlets they refused to take them as they had changed their supplier
to Flo-Gas.
As the nearest calor outlet was now 60 miles away in Norfolk and he
didn't have a clue as where the nearest Shell gas was, he then tried
to take them to the local council recycling depot.
They refused to take them as well.
I believe they have now been donated to the local Gypsy camp.

Peter

Posted by Tim Leech on January 22, 2008, 5:29 am
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On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:10:17 +0000, Peter Neill

>On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 01:34:15 -0800 (PST), dave sanderson
>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Anonymous. wrote:
>>> >> >I know this is`nt model engineering but it`s to do with my workshop.
>>> >> > I`m thinking of converting a propane bottle into a wood burning stove
>>> >> > for my workshop. I need to take off the gas valve/tap on the top of
>>> >> > the bottle so  I can fill the bottle with water to get rid of any gas
>>> >> > in there. My question is this, which way does it turn? I`ve tried
>>> >> > clockwise and anticlockwise but to no avail. Regards Pete
>>> >> You will be guilty of criminal damage because when you obtained
>>> >> your first cylinder you signed an agreement that the cylinders
>>> >> belonged to the gas company and you were only hiring them.
>>> > I *KNOW* I have never signed such an agreement for one,
>>> > and I doubt the travelers who dump them round here did either....
>>>
>>> So you are going to knowingly receive stolen goods and convert
>>> them (both in the technical and also the legal sense) for your own
>>> purposes?
>>
>>I never said that, just that *I* have never had to sign such an
>>agreement
>
>Neither have I, FWIW, and nor did the moulding factory I used to run,
>and we used these for both the workshop and the forklift truck.
>
>Perhaps there may be an agreement in place where 'anonymous' gets his
>cylinders from, but he is being rather pedantic IMO.
>
>Incidentally, a friend is just moving from is smallholding and had
>half a dozen propane bottles he needed to get rid of. A mixed lot from
>Calor, Shellgas, and others. When he tried to return these to 2 local
>outlets they refused to take them as they had changed their supplier
>to Flo-Gas.
>As the nearest calor outlet was now 60 miles away in Norfolk and he
>didn't have a clue as where the nearest Shell gas was, he then tried
>to take them to the local council recycling depot.
>They refused to take them as well.
>I believe they have now been donated to the local Gypsy camp.
>

It certainly used to be the case that you had to sign a rental
agreement for your first bottle(s).

There does seem to be a surplus of bottles floating about in recent
years, usually from one of the smaller companies, and you're quite
right that it can be difficult to find proper homes for these. I've
got a couple here with no homes to go to.

Tim

Posted by Anonymous. on January 22, 2008, 11:55 am
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> My local calor gas supplier refused to take bottles back from me . I
> converted to refillable autogas* for the motorhome leaving me with the
> empties, which I had got from him in the first place.
> He pointed out that the Calor agreement returns a proportion of the
> downpayment during the first four years but thereafter the residual
> value is zero. Apparently this applies even to the supplier, there is a
> cost attached for them to return surplus bottles to Calor, so why
> bother.
>

I stand corrected therefore



Posted by Christopher Tidy on January 22, 2008, 3:06 pm
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Tim Leech wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:10:17 +0000, Peter Neill
>
>
>>On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 01:34:15 -0800 (PST), dave sanderson
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Anonymous. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I know this is`nt model engineering but it`s to do with my workshop.
>>>>>>>I`m thinking of converting a propane bottle into a wood burning stove
>>>>>>>for my workshop. I need to take off the gas valve/tap on the top of
>>>>>>>the bottle so I can fill the bottle with water to get rid of any gas
>>>>>>>in there. My question is this, which way does it turn? I`ve tried
>>>>>>>clockwise and anticlockwise but to no avail. Regards Pete
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You will be guilty of criminal damage because when you obtained
>>>>>>your first cylinder you signed an agreement that the cylinders
>>>>>>belonged to the gas company and you were only hiring them.
>>>>>
>>>>>I *KNOW* I have never signed such an agreement for one,
>>>>>and I doubt the travelers who dump them round here did either....
>>>>
>>>>So you are going to knowingly receive stolen goods and convert
>>>>them (both in the technical and also the legal sense) for your own
>>>>purposes?
>>>
>>>I never said that, just that *I* have never had to sign such an
>>>agreement
>>
>>Neither have I, FWIW, and nor did the moulding factory I used to run,
>>and we used these for both the workshop and the forklift truck.
>>
>>Perhaps there may be an agreement in place where 'anonymous' gets his
>>cylinders from, but he is being rather pedantic IMO.
>>
>>Incidentally, a friend is just moving from is smallholding and had
>>half a dozen propane bottles he needed to get rid of. A mixed lot from
>>Calor, Shellgas, and others. When he tried to return these to 2 local
>>outlets they refused to take them as they had changed their supplier
>>to Flo-Gas.
>>As the nearest calor outlet was now 60 miles away in Norfolk and he
>>didn't have a clue as where the nearest Shell gas was, he then tried
>>to take them to the local council recycling depot.
>>They refused to take them as well.
>>I believe they have now been donated to the local Gypsy camp.
>>
>
>
> It certainly used to be the case that you had to sign a rental
> agreement for your first bottle(s).
>
> There does seem to be a surplus of bottles floating about in recent
> years, usually from one of the smaller companies, and you're quite
> right that it can be difficult to find proper homes for these. I've
> got a couple here with no homes to go to.

I was a bit annoyed that I had to pay the deposit on a cylinder
recently. I've seen them abandoned in the past. If I'd known what size I
needed in advance, I could have had one for nothing.

Chris



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