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Posted by on May 23, 2008, 3:22 pm
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> >> I started out with HSS blanks and grinding my own, =A0bought a set of
> >> indexable tips and now use HSS home ground again, =A0leaving the carbid=
e
> >> tips for roughing cast iron. =A0It's a hobby for me and the grinding I =
find
> >> a great de-stresser! =A0(not distressing). =A0I find it easier to get a=
good
> >> finish with sharp HSS rather than carbide.
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> >> Steve
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> >I might suggest you're not using the right carbide inserts then. To repea=
t,
> >yet again, something I've posted many times over the years. Most carbide
> >tips are designed for high powered machines and high volume work. For use=
on
> >steel they have slightly rounded edges to create sturdiness and resistanc=
e
> >to chipping and they rely on machine rigidity, horsepower and rpm to push=
> >them through the material being machined. What you need for small lathes =
and
> >hobby use, regardless of the work material, is razor sharp edges which
> >you'll only find on uncoated (usually) non-ferrous carbide inserts. Edges=
> >very similar to what you'd grind on HSS anyway. They will generally be
> >bright silver or perhaps carbide grey. If the tips you are using are gold=
,
> >black or any other dark colour they won't cut worth a damn on a small lat=
he
> >on most materials. They'll just push off the work and tear it to shreds.
> >What you have to appreciate is that what the carbide insert manuals and
> >guidelines mean by finishing cuts on a CNC lathe are still probably deepe=
r
> >cuts than the roughing cuts most of us use on manual lathes.
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> >If you stick with inserts designed for aluminium you'll get perfect resul=
ts
> >on steel, cast iron, brass, bronze and just about anything else you want =
to
> >tickle away at a few thou at a time on a small lathe and the inserts will=
> >last almost indefinitely if you don't abuse them. HSS might get the same
> >finish but it'll blunt every five minutes. If you want to take 4mm deep c=
uts
> >in EN40B then sure you need 10 hp and an insert designed for roughing ste=
el.
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> >I use a single carbide insert turning and facing tool with non ferrous ti=
ps
> >for 95% of the work I do on my Student. HSS has its uses when you need to=
> >grind a special shape or make a very small boring tool for a one off job =
but
> >for most turning and facing I'd say get the largest shanked tool your lat=
he
> >can accept, some sharp non ferrous inserts to fit it and you can forget
> >buggering about on bench grinders every five minutes for the rest of your=
> >life.
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> >My mate's =A350,000 CNC lathes can use a steel specific, rounded edge ins=
ert
> >and still get a mirror finish on hard materials like EN52B and 21/4N valv=
e
> >steels. If I try to use the same insert on my Student it just buggers
> >everything it touches. My 40 year old machine has 50 times the backlash h=
is
> >new ones do though, half the rpm, one tenth of the hp and no coolant. It'=
s
> >just a matter of horses for courses.
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> >If you want to spend your life learning how to sharpen tools rather than
> >actually cut metal then HSS is the very thing. You'll just die very
> >accomplished rather than having ever made anything.
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> I completely agree.
> Whilst you can get a better finish with HSS on a small lathe, the only
> thing I use HSS for on my ML7 is screwcutting.
> Everything else I use carbide insert tips.
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> My favourite tool is one of these:http://www.greenwood-tools.co.uk/ishop/7=
28/shopscr16.htmlwith a
> Sandvik GC4025 insert with a 0.2 radius tip. This grade is designed
> for stainless but works pretty much perfectly for just about anything.
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> And if I need a *really* fine finish or half a thou' or so taken off,
> then I use an SCLCR holder with a CCGT insert made for aluminium, like
> this:http://www.cnccookbook.com/img/OthersProjects/Tools/CCGPInsert.jpg
> works fine, even on stainless. (ignore the mispelt 'CCGP' in the
> link).
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> Life's too short and time in workshop too limited to spend all your
> time grinding HSS, albeit this is defintely a usefull skill to have.
> However, if you get the HSS grind wrong - which beginners always do-
> then you'll be constantly frustrated with the poor cutting ability and
> lousy finish until you get it just right.
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Peter Hi, a friend of mine by way of a gift of a couple, introduced me
to the CCGT (aluminium) inserts a while ago when I still had time to
go into the workshop. In planning a return to work :-), I haven't yet
found an economic source (ie less than =A35 each), have you - or is it
one of those instances that the bullet just has to be bitten?
Regards
Keith (short of both time and money)
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